Trabold Filters

[Uli Smallwood]

Hello Members,

My Name is Uli Smallwood. I became a member of Delica.ca to have the opportunity to correct some false rumors about the By-Pass Oil Filtration Systems from Trabold. My husband and I are the owners of EuVaTec INC. Since 2005, we are Legal Distributors of Trabold Oil Fine-Filtration Systems for North America. We had the pleasure to personally meet some members of Delica.ca, when they became customers and picked up their systems at our home office. Mark, the Site Administrator was so kind to invite us to share some information and facts about Trabold Oil Fine-Filtration Systems with you members.

You find detailed technical information, FAQs, an Installation Photo Gallery, Test Results and Reference Letters at: www.trabold.us or www.euvatec.com. Please don’t hesitate to call us at (253) 535-9549 if you have any question.
More than thirty years ago, Mr. Trabold invented this advanced By-Pass Fine-Filtration Technology. It removes debris particles (down to 0.1 micron) which are causing abrasive wear as well as condensation that breaks down the filtered fluid. Systems can be used for any motor oil, hydraulic and other pressure fluids in vehicles or hydraulic systems. Fluids stay constantly clean. You don’t need common oil/fluid changes anymore and engine life can be extended up to 60%. In addition, clean motor oil with smoother running engines benefit the combustion process, reducing emission, increasing mpg, engine performance, and reliability. It is proven that oil’s lubricating abilities get better the longer you drive with Trabold Filtration. (See Reichert Test at our website).
Simplicity is the key. One high grade anodized aluminum body with heat dissipating cooling fins is installed where there is room. You have 2 choices to connect the oil supply at the pressure zone and 3 choices where to connect the oil flow back. Filter cartridges should be exchanged after about 15,000 miles (cost only US$ 22 and it takes about 5-10 minutes).You can choose either manufacturer recommended oil or any synthetic oil. The standard filter (10-20microns) stays. It has no purpose anymore, but should be exchanged after 2-3 years to prevent seal leakage.
Compared to other By-Pass Filters:
Trabold is only one body, oil does not need to be exchanged anymore (except by motor leakage or failure), the cartridge is not just thin toilette paper and can withstand high pressure up to 30 bar/435psi, the filter flow is between 1-5 liters/min. for size 10 and 2-6 liters/min for size 20. (Please view technical data at our website)

This advanced technology is used for over 30 years in Europe and globally marketed. (Installation photos, Reference Letters at our Website)

Best Regards,

Ulrike (Uli) J. Smallwood
EuVaTec INC

[psilosin]

So what false rumors did you correct here? Looks like a simple cut and paste advertisement. Same vague description of the details, same bold claims on its effectiveness, same testimonials that are always from a different country...

How is the filter designed, what makes it different, why is that difference better?

The Franz type toilet paper bypass filter is well understood technology. It sounds goofy because its 'toilet paper' so we think of wiping our bum but as a 'filter cartridge' its random direction of cellulose fibers packed tightly in many layers makes it very effective similar to hepa filter design in air systems.

Convince me this is better.

[legionnair]

The standard filter (10-20microns) stays. It has no purpose anymore, but should be exchanged after 2-3 years to prevent seal leakage.

This phrase is completely wrong if they are taking oil from a high pressure source then it is after the stock filter. The problem with leaving this filter is it will plug over time and will go into bypass allowing all particals by which will travel through the mainbearings/rod bearings first this will wipe out those bearing surfaces and cause oil pressure to drop.

This system is a great additional system but the primary system should be maintained as normal

Dustin

[Uli Smallwood]

Sorry, but I could not comment in detail to all guesses, assumptions and hear-says which were posted since years about Trabold Filtration Systems. I wanted to give the members of our club an overview with some detailed information and where they can find more specific technical facts and reports on our informative website. There are no vague descriptions, just short once and "bold claims" are proven experiences, testified in plenty reference letters. Since the Trabold Fine-Filtration is sold and used since over 30 years in Germany, we have many testimonies from there. I can only send you a comparison of technical data (privatly collected) in regards to other By-Pass Filter Companies. Privatly, because Trabold is from Germany and the other companies are (as far as we know) not commenly sold in Germany. So there is no official comparison by the manufacturer.

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The Franz Filter was an older idea, which Mr. Trabold further developed. His patented cartridge filters horizontally and vertically or axial and radial. No other cartridge does that. In addition, even when saturated with oil, the cellulose media still absorbs condensation. Heat dissipating cooling fins at the metal filter body allow additional cooling of the oil.

For Dustin, how can the normal standard filter (which only filters particles down to mostly 10 microns) plug up, when the Trabold Filter cleans the oil down to 0.1 microns? Size 3-8 microns wear the bearings, if you don't change the oil, the micro particles don't hurt the engine. Also the lubrication is getting better the longer the oil is filtered with Trabold Filtration. Please read the Reichert Test and FAQs on our website.

I am looking forward to answer more questions

Uli Smallwood
EuVaTec Inc.

[Uli Smallwood]

Soot builds up through condensation getting into the oil (Oil Sludge). The purpose of additives is to reduce oil sludge. With the usage of Trabold Filters, additives are no longer necessary because the filter absorbs moisture and prevents sludge build-up, so no longer is there a soot build up.
Thanks for the link. A little further down was a link were they talk about By-Pass filtration, die you read it? I also attach an article from Blackstone Laboratory.

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The Dodge Grand Caravan in my pictures drives since 44,000 miles without oil change and without motor problems. We have customers, like the Peterbuilt owner (see my photos), who drove more than 112,000 miles without oil change and no problems. He wrote in a newspaper article (Business Examiner, Sept. 4, 2006, Local firm aims to do away with oil changes) that the oil is even cleaner than the new oil was. And these are American references :>)

Cheers, Uli

[psilosin]

Soot is not created from water condensation getting into your oil... Soot is heterocyclic hydrocarbon particles resulting from partially burnt fuel as a byproduct of the normal imperfect diesel combustion process.

The additives in oil are designed to keep soot particles both suspended in teh oil and designed to keep the soot particles from colluding into larger masses. Even if the soot particles in your oil are individually very very small there is a maximum amount per volume of oil that can be maintained in suspension. After that, any further soot will not remain in suspension and will begin forming larger masses and end up depositing in places leading to wear or clogging fine oil passages akin to plaque in our arteries.

For long long oil change intervals, after thinking about it for a while I now believe you are essentially maxing out the oils ability to hold soot in suspesion and totally relying on the bypass filter to remove all the out of suspension larger masses from the oil before they cause damage. If the bypass filter design works as advertised and effectively removes this soot then you should be ok. If not...ouch. If this holds true then oil analysis reading of 'elevated' soot levels would not be a problem as long as this soot is suspended and not free. If you do not start seeing signs of wear in future analysis then that would mean the bypass filter has been effective in removing all the damaging free soot from the oil and you can keep skipping an oil change.

I haven't done an oil analysis myself since my oil change intervals are not extreme. One thing I have found with my Surf and its Toilet Paper bypass filter is that the oil still turns black pretty much as quickly but if i dip my finger in teh black oil my finger quite easily wipes clean free of black stains. Previously I would usually have some nice black stains on my hands from doing an oil change that took quite a while to wash away. Perhaps this is indicative of what I said above....the oils soot holding capacity is maxed out (hence teh black as night colour) but teh bypass filter has been effective in removing the unsuspended soot so there isn't any to deposit on my hands.

[legionnair]

The way an engine removes moisture from oil is by coming up to proper operating temperature and then expelling it out the breather. As I said before I believe it is a good addition to an engine filtration system where we part ways but Amsoil and a few other bypass system makers agree with my thought process is replacing the OEM filter at higher intervals than you recommend.
Unless you have a desicant to absorb moisture or use a centrifugal filtering system I don't believe your claims that it removes the moisture. One of the other problems with soot is the increase in Ph if you never change the oil the Ph levels will become very acidic. This becomes very hard on seals and gaskets, how does your product overcome this?

I like this bypass filter system
http://www.autowinsystems.com/centrifug ... ystem.html

Dustin

[Uli Smallwood]

Hello Members,

the natural color of oil is black. That doesn't mean it is dirty or contaminated. You can rub it between your fingers and feel if there is debris in or if it is smooth. You also can smell if it is accidy.
For the Trabold Filtration, the key is simplicity and effectiveness. What can average vehicle owners use to benefit mostly from? I am adding some collected information about wear and soot. There is hard soot, but also soft soot. I am also adding some info about the perils of motor oil.

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I hope you enjoy reading this, it was very informative for me, since I am not a mechanic, nor a chemist.
We just try to share what we have collected.

Greetings
Uli Smallwood

[Uli Smallwood]

Dustin, here is another attachment especially for you to show you technical data.

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Greetings
Uli Smallwood

[psilosin]

the natural color of oil is black. That doesn't mean it is dirty or contaminated. You can rub it between your fingers and feel if there is debris in or if it is smooth. You also can smell if it is accidy.

This is more misinformation that is both untrue and irrelevent. You would be better off just posting the technical sheets and studies. Continued posting of statements like this make it that I would never purchase your product regardless if it works or not because salesperson baloney is annoying.

The natural colour of refined lubricant oil is not black. The only natural oil that is black is certain types of crude oil...and this is most definately dirty and contains a whole spectrum of products of which lubricant oil is just one. Hence why crude oil is refined by distillation to its fractional components. The 'blackness' stays behind in the residue/tar/asphalt fractions.

Most human fingers cannot detect a particle size smaller than 60 microns. So dipping your fingers in your oil and rubbing them is probably not the best method to detrmine the cleanliness of your oil.

[legionnair]

Hey I do like the idea of a by pass filter but your product is almost $600 where a frantz or amsoil is only $250, why do you believe your product is worth the extra money?

[Uli Smallwood]

This is another rumor.
The price for a Trabold Fine-Filtration System size 10 (up to 12 ltr./3.24 gal. oil volume) is US$379.95 plus US$15 for the installation kit. The Filter Cartridges size 10 come in a double pack and cost US$43.98/pck. Cartridge exchange is adviced after about 15,000 miles and it takes only in average between 5-15 minutes of your time.

Reasons why it's worth the money:
The "simple" one filter body is made of high grade anodized aluminum and has heat dissipating cooling fins. When you change your vehicle you can transfer the Trabold System into your new vehicle. These systems are designed for a long, rough use and can be removed/reinstalled as often as you want to.

You don't need common oil changes anymore, you don't need to exchange the standard filter (per Trabold). It is up to you if/when you exchange it for safety reasons. Trabold filters down to 0.1micron and eliminates condensation (amount see techn. table), increasing the lubrication ability the longer you drive with it. (Reichert Test) The useage reduces engine wear through lower friction, improves engine reliability, mpg and engine life (up to 60%). Lowering the cost of maintenance through elimination of oil change pays out, the more miles you drive, the more you save. Less Waste Oil Management and Pollution, reduction of oil consumption, being environmental friendly :>)

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When you heat up brand-new "clean/clear" oil it turns black, because of the carbon. I am not a chemist, as mentioned and I am only sharing what I know or experienced. I am also open minded and interested to learn, if you want to share your knowledge, as long as you don't bite me :>)

Greetings
Uli Smallwood

[Fishtank]

This is another rumor.
The price for a Trabold Fine-Filtration System size 10 (up to 12 ltr./3.24 gal. oil volume) is US$379.95 plus US$15 for the installation kit.

This is still $150 more than a Frantz filter.

The Filter Cartridges size 10 come in a double pack and cost US$43.98/pck.

Hmmmm, $21.99 US per filter... You can get a Frantz filter at almost any store for as little as 60 cents.

Cartridge exchange is adviced after about 15,000 miles and it takes only in average between 5-15 minutes of your time.

Same with the Frantz.

Reasons why it's worth the money:
The "simple" one filter body is made of high grade anodized aluminum and has heat dissipating cooling fins.

The Frantz is a "simple" one filter body as well and there are cooling fins available if your vehicle has a problem with oil temperature. A problem that the Delica doesn't seem to have.

When you change your vehicle you can transfer the Trabold System into your new vehicle. These systems are designed for a long, rough use and can be removed/reinstalled as often as you want to.

Same with the Frantz.

You don't need common oil changes anymore, you don't need to exchange the standard filter (per Trabold). It is up to you if/when you exchange it for safety reasons.

I think you'd be insane to leave the standard filter on for more than 10,000 Kms.

Trabold filters down to 0.1micron

So does the Frantz.

and eliminates condensation (amount see techn. table),

"Eliminates" is a very powerful word, I think "reduce" may be more appropriate. BTW, so does the Frantz.

increasing the lubrication ability the longer you drive with it. (Reichert Test) The useage reduces engine wear through lower friction, improves engine reliability, mpg and engine life (up to 60%). Lowering the cost of maintenance through elimination of oil change pays out, the more miles you drive, the more you save. Less Waste Oil Management and Pollution, reduction of oil consumption, being environmental friendly :>)

All good reasons for a bypass oil filter in general, nothing specific to the Trabold brand. Therefore, more marketing regurgitated...

When you heat up brand-new "clean/clear" oil it turns black, because of the carbon. I am not a chemist, as mentioned and I am only sharing what I know or experienced.

Oil will not turn black when you heat it, however it will turn black if you burn it.

I am also open minded and interested to learn, if you want to share your knowledge, as long as you don't bite me :>)

Greetings
Uli Smallwood

No biting involved here Uli, just smart people that won't part with their hard earned money without good reasons.

And we are more than willing to share knowledge, but we are able to tell the difference between marketing and real world evidence.

But hey, I don't speak for everyone here. If there are people here that think an extra $150 purchase price and at worst $21 extra per filter constitutes purchasing a Trabold filter, go for it. Yes, Trabold also advertises:

His patented cartridge filters horizontally and vertically or axial and radial. No other cartridge does that.

but does it really filter better?

In addition, even when saturated with oil, the cellulose media still absorbs condensation.

Regular TP does the same.

Again Uli, don't take this as biting. I think we all agree that a bypass oil filter is a great addition to any engine, transmission & or fuel system, it's just trying to justify the extra cost associated with the Trabold filter over other bypass filters.

My .02 cents.

[Fishtank]

Hey Moderators, maybe we could trim this thread back to where it only has oil analysis and results and add this to a discussion about bypass oil filters in general. It seems to be a bit off topic.

[legionnair]

This is another rumor.
The price for a Trabold Fine-Filtration System size 10 (up to 12 ltr./3.24 gal. oil volume) is US$379.95 plus US$15 for the installation kit.

This is still $150 more than a Frantz filter.

The Filter Cartridges size 10 come in a double pack and cost US$43.98/pck.

Hmmmm, $21.99 US per filter... You can get a Frantz filter at almost any store for as little as 60 cents.

Cartridge exchange is adviced after about 15,000 miles and it takes only in average between 5-15 minutes of your time.

Same with the Frantz.

Reasons why it's worth the money:
The "simple" one filter body is made of high grade anodized aluminum and has heat dissipating cooling fins.

The Frantz is a "simple" one filter body as well and there are cooling fins available if your vehicle has a problem with oil temperature. A problem that the Delica doesn't seem to have.

When you change your vehicle you can transfer the Trabold System into your new vehicle. These systems are designed for a long, rough use and can be removed/reinstalled as often as you want to.

Same with the Frantz.

You don't need common oil changes anymore, you don't need to exchange the standard filter (per Trabold). It is up to you if/when you exchange it for safety reasons.

I think you'd be insane to leave the standard filter on for more than 10,000 Kms.

Trabold filters down to 0.1micron

So does the Frantz.

and eliminates condensation (amount see techn. table),

"Eliminates" is a very powerful word, I think "reduce" may be more appropriate. BTW, so does the Frantz.

increasing the lubrication ability the longer you drive with it. (Reichert Test) The useage reduces engine wear through lower friction, improves engine reliability, mpg and engine life (up to 60%). Lowering the cost of maintenance through elimination of oil change pays out, the more miles you drive, the more you save. Less Waste Oil Management and Pollution, reduction of oil consumption, being environmental friendly :>)

All good reasons for a bypass oil filter in general, nothing specific to the Trabold brand. Therefore, more marketing regurgitated...

When you heat up brand-new "clean/clear" oil it turns black, because of the carbon. I am not a chemist, as mentioned and I am only sharing what I know or experienced.

Oil will not turn black when you heat it, however it will turn black if you burn it.

I am also open minded and interested to learn, if you want to share your knowledge, as long as you don't bite me :>)

Greetings
Uli Smallwood

No biting involved here Uli, just smart people that won't part with their hard earned money without good reasons.

And we are more than willing to share knowledge, but we are able to tell the difference between marketing and real world evidence.

But hey, I don't speak for everyone here. If there are people here that think an extra $150 purchase price and at worst $21 extra per filter constitutes purchasing a Trabold filter, go for it. Yes, Trabold also advertises:

His patented cartridge filters horizontally and vertically or axial and radial. No other cartridge does that.

but does it really filter better?

In addition, even when saturated with oil, the cellulose media still absorbs condensation.

Regular TP does the same.

Again Uli, don't take this as biting. I think we all agree that a bypass oil filter is a great addition to any engine, transmission & or fuel system, it's just trying to justify the extra cost associated with the Trabold filter over other bypass filters.

My .02 cents.

Everything I was getting at in one clean post
Thank you