GLOW PLUG rant **&^%$#@!

[jessef]

GPF-133 Bosch looks like the correct one for pre-93
Thanks David

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

11V glow plugs are better than 6.2V glow plugs under primitive manual switch ( that is not a system. ).

Manual switch cannot be encouraged

Which is it?

In one thread you don't encourage it and in another you do. As a dealer who is very active in this forum giving advise to other members, saying one thing in one thread and the complete opposite in another is not good advice-giving practice.

We became the number one top seller for Delica

If you were a single member it wouldn't make any difference but you are touting yourself as the #1 Delica seller, so you better get your claims and words straight otherwise you'll be the boy who cried wolf all over again.

I never said two different fact in manual switch.
Manual switch cannot be encouraged, but there are some modi into manual switch in early model faulty 6.2V system ( super quick glow plug ). In that case, 11V glow plugs work better than 6.2V GPs. That's what I am saying.

Steven

[Fishtank]

Was the advice you received mostly over PM's?
Why would you purchase glow plugs from the UK when they are available here?

Very intereting.

Steven

Exactly what is very interesting about my post Steven? Please enlighten me without any smiley faces, they are becoming very childish.

[Profister]

Is there no Mitsubishi EPC floating around the interwebs?

http://www.delica.ca/forum/mitsubishi-a ... -9396.html
I use it all the time. Easy to install and you do not need to rely on 'professional' recommendations.

[psilosin]

http://www.delica.ca/forum/mitsubishi-a ... -9396.html
I use it all the time. Easy to install and you do not need to rely on 'professional' recommendations.

Cool man cool. Thanks.

Good idea, but in reality we easily can’t find an aftermarket GP with good working condition through original part numbers.
Of course you got no problem to get it from Mitsubishi Japan with chassis number, but price is no kidding.
That’s why people are looking for cheap/good alternative GP from other source.

Steven

OK that makes sense. I have noticed that genuine Mitsubishi parts are MUCH MUCH more expensive and hard to locate than genuine Toyota parts. Heck, even the aftermarket brand parts tend to be much more than genuine Toyota. It is kind of a bummer.

[mararmeisto]

I have noticed that genuine Mitsubishi parts are MUCH MUCH more expensive and hard to locate than genuine Toyota parts. Heck, even the aftermarket brand parts tend to be much more than genuine Toyota. It is kind of a bummer.

Mitsubishi has never achieved the market-saturation of Toyota and so it's parts are going to be more expensive.

I'm with one of the other mechanics on this whole issue: original glow-plug ECU? then get the proper Mitsubishi glow plugs. It seems the tolerances in the timing circuit are so tightly based on the resistance of the plug and the voltage of the circuit, that most after-market plugs just aren't working properly.

To the OP, I hope you find what you're looking for and you get the plugs you need. I spent most of last winter compression-starting here in Victoria (and no, it didn't get that cold, but it still makes a difference) so I know your pain. Good hunting.

[Artie Fufkin]

Fishtank,

Ha, love the picture, made me laugh. Yeah, sure felt that way.

To answer your questions:

No, the advice recommending the OEM's was not from PM's. I searched the forum a fair bit and noted what OEM's people said didn't work or caused problems. Noted a mechanic at one of the shops stating he had a lot of luck with a particular OEM in the 6v system. Didn't see any specific comments to the contrary so took the "professional experience" advice.

I can see why someone might THINK these plugs are fine because the startup improvement is amazing.They APPEAR to work. I just by chance happen to have the led's mentioned in OP and happened to observe the change in clicks. I have no doubt not everyone catches that. All they would notice is the great start not realizing the HUGE new current draw. I have no doubt it has taken out some people's alternators and/or batteries and they didn't connect the two. See what I'm saying?


As for the UK plug purchase, well, when I bought this vehicle a couple years ago I had no idea it would be so difficult to get parts. Also had no idea of the scene you cats have going on on the west coast. I went to some parts places and asked for whatever needed part for a 92, Gen.2 LWB 2.5L 4d56t Mitsu Pajero blah blah blah. You can imagine how far that got me. So I started looking around a bit on the net and quickly found out there are a lot of these vehicles and parts suppliers in the UK. I stumbled across the UK suppliers for Pajero parts on ebay. Read comments on who seemed to be reputable suppliers and ordered (based on the info supplied in the add) the plugs for my vehicle. The supplier obviously did not know the score with is 6v system. The details in the add matched year, engine, chassis code etc.

I wasn't happy about having to bring parts over but it was a start.

The new plugs were for spares to have just incase. I didn't know about the 6v/12v issue until I discovered this forum. So to answer the question directly regarding getting plugs in UK when we have em here, at that stage in the game I was starting to get concerned if I could find a darn oil filter for this thing in Canada!

Well, now I know from you guys and gals that all non-engine parts are same as Montero and readily available. Thank frickin' god

For the most part though, still seems to me I can only get engine parts from the suppliers in the Vancouver area who are importing them. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that point. If that is the case its a little frustrating.


To the couple of guys noting I'm driving a Pajero instead of an L300 or L400, well, we all know the Pajero is way cooler




thedjjack,

Was not aware of that Bosch list ! I'm assuming you have confirmed these plugs function properly like the green tops?


I'd like to learn more about the Mercedes controller you have mentioned. There's more than one way to control a set of GP's. Its not that complicated (except this dumb 6v system). It really does make more sense to me to rip out the entire GP system and go with something much better. The Mitsu 6v system does not impress me at all.

Ok, the expense of green tops will solve my/our problem but why not start over with something more solid and reliable and way less sensitive.

I'll have to investigate where to get this and how to wire it in. Any info really appreciated. I'd rather go this route. I'm not a purist type. Function is more important.

Thanks to all how have posted the information in this thread and seeming to understand why I ranted about this. I still think professional mechanics should not recommend products that are obviously not correct. That does piss me off. A respectable pro really knows their stuff AND knows when to say "I don't know". I get the impression you guys know exactly what I'm sayin' here.

If no OEM's work (which sucks) than no OEM's work, thats fine. Just don't recommend anything of the sort. If a particular OEM actually does function correctly than why is it so hard to filter through the garbage on here to find that little gem?? It really shouldn't be that hard.

Thanks guys.

AF

[nxski]

Where in Canada are you located. I know there is a parts supplier just outside of Toronto but not sure if that helps.

I believe David is looking for a guinnea pig to test the bosch system!? From the numbers he's provided it looks like they will work well and hopefully a dealer will see fit to bring them in.

[thedjjack]

I have not run the Bosch in a Delica and have not found a local supply (I am going with the group buy for 6V OEM). But I like the fact that it lists which plugs interchange (same part number). I emailed Bosch Canada no response. I phoned them once for a 12volt starter that failed in my Jeep during field season and they told me to buy any starter that fit and they would pay the bill!

I did run lots of different glow plugs in a VW1.6 non turbo Diesel and only Bosch could fire it up under -30!

I had the Mercedes controller on my Mercedes powered Willys FC170 I built. Super simple and worked. I think it would convert OK with 12V plugs into 6V motor. I have not needed to do this, but I will if my ECU goes or glow plugs become to expensive. I suspect the Mercedes was Bosch plugs from the factory. The Mercedes OM617 is one of the best motors ever built!

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

If you have a perfect working condition 6.2V super quick glow plug system, I bet only Mitsubishi original GPs are the only solution .
I used lots of different brands here, but all others ( even made in Japan product ) are not working properly in this cold weather.
If you have a necessity to move over manual switch due to faulty system, you should consider replacing old glow plugs with 11V.

But OP doesn't like manual switch though...

Steven

[Artie Fufkin]

nxski,

I live in Northern Ont. Sudbury is probably closest place.


Steven,

I know the manual switch is simple and can work but too much potential to leave it on by mistake!. I guess if you used a momentary switch it wouldn't be an issue then.


Thedjjack,

I'm really diggin' the idea of swapping over to the Merc system. Deff. going to investigate that.

Thanks guys.

AF

[thedjjack]

If you have a perfect working condition 6.2V super quick glow plug system, I bet only Mitsubishi original GPs are the only solution .
I used lots of different brands here, but all others ( even made in Japan product ) are not working properly in this cold weather.
If you have a necessity to move over manual switch due to faulty system, you should consider replacing old glow plugs with 11V.

But OP doesn't like manual switch though...

Steven

Steven I would be in shock if the Bosch plugs designed for this system did not work as good as the OEM Mitsubishi plugs....Bosch has been making glow plugs for many years. The only problem is can we get the plugs here (at the moment with the group buy there seems like no point in trying, but down the road it would be an idea). I know the NGK, Delcos and a few others could not get my VW to start at -30 (new plugs tested resistance, but Bosch never let me down!).

My Mercedes is not really comparable since you could cold start it without the glow plugs!!!

Artie: Check any 1980s Mercedes Diesel 240 or 300 for the glow plug controller. This is the best forum for info people are great on it: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/

Lots of help on that forum trying to get my injector pump feeding more fuel under boost and my transmission to shift...

[Artie Fufkin]

Artie: Check any 1980s Mercedes Diesel 240 or 300 for the glow plug controller. This is the best forum for info people are great on it: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/

Lots of help on that forum trying to get my injector pump feeding more fuel under boost and my transmission to shift...

Thanks for the info !

Humm .. I have Merc 300D I'm sending to the scrap yard actually. Might have to pull out the tools on it !

AF

[thedjjack]

Artie: Check any 1980s Mercedes Diesel 240 or 300 for the glow plug controller. This is the best forum for info people are great on it: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/

Lots of help on that forum trying to get my injector pump feeding more fuel under boost and my transmission to shift...

Thanks for the info !

Humm .. I have Merc 300D I'm sending to the scrap yard actually. Might have to pull out the tools on it !

AF

Sounds like you just got your parts for free!!! It is the little black box on the driver side fender (at least in my 1982)....I would pull the glow plugs and temperature sensor so you can hook it all up bench test and do glow timing etc. prior to install.

Compare the 12V Mitsubishi plugs to the 12 Mercedes plug glow times...play with the temperature sensor etc...

Good luck!!

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

Artie: Check any 1980s Mercedes Diesel 240 or 300 for the glow plug controller. This is the best forum for info people are great on it: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/
Lots of help on that forum trying to get my injector pump feeding more fuel under boost and my transmission to shift...

Thanks for the info !
Humm .. I have Merc 300D I'm sending to the scrap yard actually. Might have to pull out the tools on it !
AF

When we have a problem at early model control system, people tend to install manual switch.
IMO, it would be a good idea if you try/set up self controlled system from other source other than manual switch.
We already developed new 11V self regulating control system in my shop to replace those manual switch/ faulty 6.2 V system.

Steven