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Re: Suspention Lift

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delicat wrote:Hey guys,

Just spoke with Gary and he won't be making any more lift kits. Sorry to break the news...
Sounds like someone else will have to get creative!

Good luck!
I may step up to the plate but don't quote me on it.

I'd also need specs and an 'okay' from Gary.

Shot you a PM David.

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For those of you wanting to lift, a thousand bucks is only about one third of the cost (if you can't do it yourself). Beyond the lift kit components (blocks, spacers, shackles) you will need longer shocks, longer brake lines, bigger tires, and torsion bars are highly recommended to reduce body roll (Ironman MITS017 are the length and upsized diameter). Those components are anywhere from $500 to $1000, plus another $1000 for tires. Beyond that, mechanical ability or be willing to pay at least 10 to 15 hours of shop time to install (or 20 odd hours for oneself to do it).

Other things I have found since putting my lift in:

1. the brace for the motor mounts has to be modified so the front drive shaft does not rub - expect 2+ hours remove and reinstall and 3-4 hours to modify (cut, weld in pieces, paint) - see Gary's original post for his mod;
2. new off set rims - I haven't done this yet, but the upper arms have rubbed a groove on the inside of the front tires, when the torsion bars are cranked, the wheel moves in closer to the control arms and rubs (I'll try to get some pics later), and offset rims will give a lot more space, besides, you need wider or bigger rims to run bigger tires;
3. new u-joints on the driveshafts (not always required) and it sounds like the new angles on my differential has caused it to need rebuilding;
4. body modifications for the bigger tires;
5. increased fuel consumption (bigger wheels weigh more);
6. increased ferry fees - always over height;
7. no parkades (and it may not fit back in the garage)

On the other hand, the ability to put 33" tires on is really cool (these are 33" x 9.5" x 15" - not mine I hope to run 235/85R16's):

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As Jesse says, this is a lot of money for looks only. If all your doing is logging roads with the occasional water bar (cross ditch) the stock Delica is very capable. To increase capability on a conservative budget, I would suggest (as with Jesse's sage advice) :
- rear shackles (I have a spare set of Metal Monkey ones for $100 if anyone wants them);
- upgraded torsion bars cannot be stressed enough, the handling and ride is so much better;
- run 31's on stock rims.

This all saves a lot of hassles and dollars. Also, in general, modifying the vehicle beyond the manufacturers specs put additional stress and wear on components. I expect to replace u-joints twice as often over conventional and also expect other things to break or wear out faster. Fortunately my van is not my daily driver so I can afford to be without it for a few days or weeks at a time.

Thats my 2 bits.

BTW: I lifted mine for a couple of reasons - first to learn how to do it, and second, I do use mine off road in some ugly terrain.

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Two quotes I collected this week from two different people relevant to musing on this topic:

From my friend Toby who drives over muddy jungle roads in SE Asia on Palawan Island twice a week from Puerto Princessa to Port Barton during rainy season, when he returned to Canada last week and looked at my Delica:
"Hey, you've got one of those. I pull a couple of them out every week on the hill to Barton with my Jeep. They just don't seem to have the clearance."
From a mechanic in Calgary, one of the best I know:

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1: I'm interested in buying one, so I looked at a good unit but it had been lifted. As a) I didn't want to look like I just borrowed my teenager's ride, and b) I can't afford to maintain a lifted unit that wants to roll even more than they do already, I gave it a pass.
So from the above, I am now as wiser man because I have learned:

- If you commute to Port Barton through the jungle's of Palawan, you should probably lift your Deli, even if you are older than 14 years old.
- If you are interested in reselling your vehicle some time, you may have a harder time selling it to baby boomers if it is lifted.
- If you are still in your teens, you may still want to lift it, Port Barton and resale notwithstanding.
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Everyone seems to think that these vans are unstable. However, most of the weight (engine, transmission, t-case, differentials, wheels) and the center of gravity is below one's butt. With my lift and the big wheels and torsion bars (still can't say this enough about them) body roll is a lot less that it was previous. Josh can verify as he followed me from Smithers to Houston one day and was amazed at how quickly I could go into the corners with minimal lean. Also, when using offset rims the stance will be wider and a bit more stable yet.

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James,

Where did you find your torsion bars? Do you have beefed up both front and back? This is the first thing I wanted to mod on my bus but didn't realize they had a beefier one.

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DOC got his kit from Glen at CC Autos, I know because I was the second offer on the kit, he gave DOC the first right for refusal. It was meant to be as I don't need a lift anymore as my new Delica is a pretty, low km, grocery getter. Looks good DOC!
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James,

Something else you might share with the rest of us... your rear spare holder! It looks like it can swing sideway? Did you do it yourself? Any pictures you'd care to post? If I'm asking it's obviously 'cause I like it!

Well done again,
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I cant remember what it was titled as, but there is a thread on that very back tire set up he has.

anyways, dont wanna highjack my own thread. If any one knows where to get some 4" shackles pls share your info.iv decided i will get the supplies over time starting with shackles.
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Delicat,

The torsion bars came with my kit, there are only torsion bars on the front and they are specific for each side. I got a very good deal on the used kit from Glenn. I am happy with the quality and condition of all parts. I measured the old torsion bars, and they are 971 mm long, this corresponds with Ironman MITS017 torsion bar here:

http://www.ironmansuspension.com/specstorsionbars.html

The ones I have are not Ironman, and I forgot to write down the info on them before putting them in, but since I will be doing some adjustments when I find shop space I will record it then.

I made the rear bumper myself, the thread is here:

http://www.delica.ca/forum/rear-bumper- ... y-995.html

I hope to start a real front bumper and armour project soon as well - again need shop space (with the lift most common garages are out of the question) and shop space is not easy to find here in Houston.



Patty,

Josh is interested in lifting one of his vans, so I recorded all the measurement for my spacers and hope to try and start putting together a kit. When you get to Prince George in the fall, I may have something ready to go and could come and help install if you can find somewhere to work on it. The hardest part to make is the ball joint spacers, but I may be able to get them machined locally. I can keep you posted. I was also considering using ultra high molecular weight (UHMW) polyethylene for the frame spacers as it is cheaper, easy to work with, and I have some left over from my Range Rover body lift project that stalled.

For everyone else, one other thing to consider is using UHMW PE strips between the leaves on the rear springs. It reduces the friction due to corrosion between the leaves giving a much more supple spring and according to most reports some increased articulation. It is available in thin film (as thin as 0.005") with an adhesive backing like this:

http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3500

More things to ponder.

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Delicat,

Ironman no longer makes the upgraded torsion bars. I currently have some upgraded torsion bars on the way that I ordered through the Delicashop in Austrailia, but they were not cheap (and shipping is huge). In total they come to around $475 for a pair. I would suggest calling John at Rocky Mountain Imports, he could probably source them for cheaper.

James,

You ride looks sick. I am glad I stopped by to give it a glance. I cant wait to see those new tires on it.

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That would be awsome docsavage, il keep in touch

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I'm going to fab up a 2" lift and install after the long weekend.

Had a few PM's asking if I would sell it like Gary did.

I'm hesitant to sell anything fabricated because of liability issues. Especially with ICBC breathing down our (JDM) necks.

Will post when it's together.

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jfarsang wrote:I'm going to fab up a 2" lift and install after the long weekend.

Had a few PM's asking if I would sell it like Gary did.

I'm hesitant to sell anything fabricated because of liability issues. Especially with ICBC breathing down our (JDM) necks.

Will post when it's together.

Jesse

Thats what i am looking to do too. 2" lift and upgraded torsion bars.
This is my daily driver but i do a fair amount of offroad getting into climbing and biking locations etc..
looking for a better ride and a bit more clearance. but nothing that requires alot of modification.
i have no shop and limited tools..

looking for some advice on a quality and reliable way of doing this.
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You guys are nuts...in a good way!
I didn't have the money or the patience to consider what many of you (Doc / GaryO / Patty etc) have done or are considering doing. I went with American Racing wheels & 31" tires - with more negative offset than the Toyota rims most people use - cranked the T-Bars all the way - new 9000 series pro-comp shocks - trimmed the fender wells & removed front mudflaps - finished off with alignment. Still need to do a wee bit more trimming, but otherwise happy with the results. Total investment broken down;

Craigslist tires & rims - $150
Alignment - about $200 I think
And about 2 hours of my time trimming etc.
I'm happy with the result for $350.

Now...if I had more time and money...I'd be right there with you guys!
On the other hand - the control arm bushing seems to be pooo'ed - the lift has made the "clunk / bang" more common during parallel parking maneuvers....will get to that fix soon!
Enjoying this post just the same & keep up the great work & info!
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