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Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:49 pm
by wetcoast
MardyDelica wrote:O.K. now the original mitsubishi headlight has 3mark E13 on each headlight original mitsubishi headlight. if you only have 1 mark E13 on your headlight under TYC made in taiwan its made in for RHD. not left hand drive. i did order this & compare & show to my inspector. we conclude that this is for RHd as per the beam pattern is same as original headlight for L400 from japan.
i call manufacturer TYC taiwan they dont make E13 headlight for left hand drive but only for RHD. so thats the diffrence between this 2 headligth compliance & non complaince headlight
as per what you are saying wetcoat regarding this headlight. me as a dealer & selling this L400 want to cut cost also, as you say its easy to educate yourself to modify this headlight, as per my ipinion its not easy. i did modify this headlight long before my first L400 arrived in april. cannot do it as good as it should be. looks cheap & not L400. you cannot put the headlight for 97 L400 to 94 or 95 L400 it does not fit.
but if you think its easy so pls just send us a sample & will see how it work.
i also want to cut my cost as you say there is a cheaper way but pls hopefully we dont have to hear this bad word about this headlight.we just have to respect each other decision which way to go.
hope this will clear this bad word issue on this topic:
Cheers;
You have the wrong guy. Nowhere have I talked about modifying L400 light.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:56 pm
by jessef
wetcoast wrote:jfarsang wrote:wetcoast wrote:Buyers too stupid to realize they just got ripped off for a $1k set of lights.
Delicafan wrote:If anyone is paying 1K for L400 lights, they're getting bent over.
The headlights cost around 350 euro's for a set. Add air shipping between two overseas countries plus customs duty and you get close to $1,000.
The other comments are not necessary.
Trust me, people that don't do 10 mins of research before buying a $10,000 vehicle are considered "stupid" in my books.
Dictionary: Stupid: Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless.
I'm confused.
Are you calling people like me stupid for paying $1,000 for a set of LHD L400 lights or are you calling people stupid for buying an L400 without checking to see if the lights are really LHD ?
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:58 pm
by Green1
You have the wrong guy. Nowhere have I talked about modifying L400 light.
I apologize, I mis-read your post.
It appears you are calling people stupid for PAYING the $1000, and then not GETTING the legal lights. (as in they should have checked them for themselves)
I would argue that there is only so much responsibility on the purchasing party here, and that the fault should lie with the importer, and for that matter, if the purchaser has proof that he paid for $1000 headlights, I would think it would be a pretty easy court case!
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:04 pm
by wetcoast
Green1 wrote:You have the wrong guy. Nowhere have I talked about modifying L400 light.
I apologize, I mis-read your post.
It appears you are calling people stupid for PAYING the $1000, and then not GETTING the legal lights. (as in they should have checked them for themselves)
I would argue that there is only so much responsibility on the purchasing party here, and that the fault should lie with the importer, and for that matter, if the purchaser has proof that he paid for $1000 headlights, I would think it would be a pretty easy court case!
Yes you got it.
1) People are paying $1000 for lights that are fakes
But mainly....
2) Dealers selling vehicles with fake lights or stock RHD lights
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:18 pm
by jessef
Get it now.
Your wording is a bit off and misleading in your original 'stupid' post before.
Any dealer or private seller for that matter, that sells one of these Delica's without the proper LHD lights, then they (the seller) are liable.
And liability legal cases are huge.
Any dealers reading this who are selling RHD vehicles without legal LHD headlights will have it come back to them in one form or another in a very bad way. That's not a threat. That's a fact.
I personally know, have seen and trust only two dealers who have imported and sold Spacegear's with proper LHD E-code headlights. One is Mardy from Amazing Auto and the other is Noel from Enviroimports. There are others that are honest dealers, I just have not had a chance to meet them yet.
But like I said before, I have seen illegal Spacegears on the road and for that matter, illegal L300's. Can you believe there are still some older (imported 3+ years ago) L300's that have the original RHD lights in them ?

Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:44 pm
by Green1
Any dealer or private seller for that matter, that sells one of these Delica's without the proper LHD lights, then they (the seller) are liable.
There is actually nothing wrong with selling a vehicle without the LHD headlights, as long as the customer is informed that the vehicle they are buying has not been complianced. The problem arises from shady operations who claim to sell fully compliant and OOP passed vehicles, when in fact they are selling non-compliant vehicles, those are the people I have a problem with, not the guy who sells a vehicle with RHD lights and who is honest about it.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:08 pm
by jessef
We agree to agree.

Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:44 pm
by EnviroImports.com
There are some alternatives to spending the big money still being legal, its not for everyone, but some that I have seen look pretty good, if your lights are there they have to work to pass inspection,
Ive seen a couple that have gone different routes,
one painted the headlights so they werent visable as headlights any more and mounted Snowplow headlights in the bull bars, they are 100% legal, come with signals and reflectors built in. cost about $300+ for a decent set.
but the whole headlight issue has gone so far its crazy, one of my customers called me to order a new grill and some other parts because his was broken and other parts missing/damaged as someone "aparantly tried" to steal the headlights from his van.
When the lights were mounted, I Seriously re-enforced the area around the lights to prevent just such a thing. Handy being able to bend metal how I want it... so it may ruin your day to get your grill broken a bit, but at least the headlights did not go missing in the night..
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:55 pm
by wetcoast
EnviroImports.com wrote:
one painted the headlights so they werent visable as headlights any more and mounted Snowplow headlights in the bull bars, they are 100% legal, come with signals and reflectors built in. cost about $300+ for a decent set.
There is no way that would legally pass.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:04 pm
by jessef
Actually Noel's right.
It can pass providing it was done right.
You can permanently mount a snow plow on your vehicle and changed it's classification. It would need the snowplow DOT light/signal assembly wired in properly with DRL's but if it's mounted in the 'headlight zone' deemed acceptable by the MVA, then it's legal once it passes gov inspection.
I've seen that done on other vehicles. Not Delica's but others legally.
On a Spacegear, it would just look ugly.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:33 pm
by EnviroImports.com
wetcoast wrote:EnviroImports.com wrote:
one painted the headlights so they werent visable as headlights any more and mounted Snowplow headlights in the bull bars, they are 100% legal, come with signals and reflectors built in. cost about $300+ for a decent set.
There is no way that would legally pass.
I don't know if you live in Victoria , but if you do, take a drive down behind the ford and chevy dealership on douglas st, the side road in there by the back access to SGpower, there is a L300 in the ice place with a set , they are tottaly legal an funny enough fit like a glove in the hoop of the L300 bull bars, another L300 has tabs welded to the bull bars in front of the stock lights and the snow plow headlights are bolted up .

Ugly, Utilitarian, practical.... Meh.
LEGAL... YES
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 am
by Green1
I've seen it done on L300s, it's ugly, and SHOULD be illegal even if it isn't.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:58 am
by EnviroImports.com
I don't understand why you think it should be illegal?,
they can be properly aimed have highbeam and lowbeam , they have signals and marker lights with reflectors on the sides built in.
Easily wired up,
and are not made up with crazy glue or in someones garage like some of the "fixes" that are floating around
the headlights are easy to replace if they burn out or take a rock. lots of gas stations and all automotive stores will carry the bulbs and whole lense..
What could possibly be your objection to them being Legal?

Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:24 pm
by Green1
they CAN be aimed properly, but they never are. it only takes a slight bump to them to screw up the aim, and usually by pointing them more upwards (in other words, in to the driver's eyes of ocoming traffic)
that is why they SHOULD be illegal.
I will however agree that they currently are legal, it's just a real shame to mess up the front end of a delica that much.
Re: L400 headlights - can you modify them
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:51 pm
by Blackberry
jfarsang wrote:Delicafan wrote:If anyone is paying 1K for L400 lights, they're getting bent over. Customs lights can be made with a few hours of your time and some research.

It's funny reading this just now.
On the ferry recently, there was an L400 Spacegear with funny looking lights.
Someone took the original stock headlights, crudely cut them out and inserted square DOT sealed beam lights.
Imagine how that looks and think about excuse the driver can tell the policeman who will write up a notice for government inspection when he/she sees it.
Apparantly this is a mod that passes BC inspection for Keis that came with composites (though gluing in a housing that takes a bulb is preferable to a sealed-beam):
http://www.japanoid.com/cardata.php?listing=64
http://www.minitrucktalk.com/showpost.p ... stcount=43
And why not as long as it's solid and adjustable?
I agree it might look pretty freakish on an L400 though.