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Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:48 pm
by loki
jfarsang wrote:The duratrac's fit HUGE.

If you want to see mine, let me know. I'm in kitsilano.

31" duratrac is a lot bigger than 31" BFG AT.
not that I don't believe you but the manufatures' websites say different, the duratracs say overall diameter is 30.5" BFG say 30.7"

so now I'm really confused. :? :shock: :o

http://www.goodyear.ca/goodyeartiresele ... ht%20Truck
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.ca/specs/all ... ko/44.html

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:16 am
by coaxial
now I'm confused too.. the 235 or the 31" ? :-)

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:36 am
by STL
I have now bought (in England) new Hankook ART RF10 which are All Terrain tyres (I found a good review on the internet: http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticl ... index.html). I payed 270 euros (around 400 CAD) delivered to my door. We have done 1000 kms since them (highways, lots of rain and dirt roads) and they perform very well till now... and price :shock: (i was prepared to trade a bit of quality for that price in comparison to BF Goodrich but I don't think so - in particular in the snow and in the rain as my wife is driving the van as well and I wanted safe tyres for her).

All terrain were more reasonable for us as we are also doing a lot of highways to go on trip.

STL

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:56 am
by Green1
STL wrote:I have now bought (in England) new Hankook ART RF10 which are All Terrain tyres (I found a good review on the internet: http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticl ... index.html). I payed 270 euros (around 400 CAD) delivered to my door. We have done 1000 kms since them (highways, lots of rain and dirt roads) and they perform very well till now... and price :shock: (i was prepared to trade a bit of quality for that price in comparison to BF Goodrich but I don't think so - in particular in the snow and in the rain as my wife is driving the van as well and I wanted safe tyres for her).

All terrain were more reasonable for us as we are also doing a lot of highways to go on trip.

STL
I love everything I've seen about the Hankook Dynapro ATM, however I can't find a tire store that is willing to admit they even exist. All the tire stores tell me that Hankook all terrain tires suck and I don't want them, but then they all seem to be dealing with Hankook's older AT tire. My old L300 had Hankook street tires on it, and they were just amazing, I'd certainly be willing to give them a go in the all-terrain arena (my Hankook all-season street tires kept up with, and even outperformed, several different all-terrain tires on a few Delica off-road trips, (especially in snow and ice, despite not being a "winter" tire) in fact the only place I ever managed to get stuck was in deep mud (as in almost up to the headlights) and that's because the tires had no "lugs" at all.)

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:59 am
by jessef
loki wrote:
jfarsang wrote:The duratrac's fit HUGE.

If you want to see mine, let me know. I'm in kitsilano.

31" duratrac is a lot bigger than 31" BFG AT.
not that I don't believe you but the manufatures' websites say different, the duratracs say overall diameter is 30.5" BFG say 30.7"

so now I'm really confused. :? :shock: :o

http://www.goodyear.ca/goodyeartiresele ... ht%20Truck
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.ca/specs/all ... ko/44.html
That's what I thought as well when I was researching them but I'm telling you side by side, mounted and air up, the Duratrac's are larger diameter wise.

I had to cut and trim with the Duratrac 31's where the BFG AT 31's did not rub. Same rim, same size tire or so they say.

Mardy has 235/75/15 Duratrac's on his Royal Exceed L400 and they look like between 30-31" tires from the side.

It's the deep lugs.

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:12 am
by loki
jfarsang wrote:
loki wrote:
jfarsang wrote:The duratrac's fit HUGE.

If you want to see mine, let me know. I'm in kitsilano.

31" duratrac is a lot bigger than 31" BFG AT.
not that I don't believe you but the manufatures' websites say different, the duratracs say overall diameter is 30.5" BFG say 30.7"

so now I'm really confused. :? :shock: :o

http://www.goodyear.ca/goodyeartiresele ... ht%20Truck
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.ca/specs/all ... ko/44.html
That's what I thought as well when I was researching them but I'm telling you side by side, mounted and air up, the Duratrac's are larger diameter wise.

I had to cut and trim with the Duratrac 31's where the BFG AT 31's did not rub. Same rim, same size tire or so they say.

Mardy has 235/75/15 Duratrac's on his Royal Exceed L400 and they look like between 30-31" tires from the side.

It's the deep lugs.
so the 31" duratracs would not fit without a lift?

this is disappointing, I saw on the auz site a couple people says that with just a little banging they where fine with LT265/75R16

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:52 am
by coaxial
Hmm.. frustrating. I'm running nexen AT 235/75/15 now and I'd like to go a bit bigger diameter if I can. I have no problem doing serious cutting and banging and torsioning but I don't think I want to bother with a lift. The owners of the 6'7" parkades I use would agree.

Without knowing for sure if the duratrac 31" would fit I think I'll have to go for the 235. In any case it will be a significant upgrade over the worn out nexens :)

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:11 pm
by TardisDeli
Make sure to add the Duty Taxes on to the prices, and US Exchange (the actual one, not the official one that you only get if you're a big bank exchanging gizillions of dollars). A few years ago there was a big hassle with USA border car shops phoning ahead to customs to give the license plates of vehicles they had worked on (rat-finks, eh), don't hear so much about it when the US Dollar exchange is the wrong way round. Christine.

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:30 pm
by jessef
The 31" Duratracs will not fit either L300 / L400 without a 2" lift and some trimming.

Mardy has a 1" lift on his L400 and he is rubbing slightly in the front with 235/75/15's.

If you are running average 235/75/15's , the Duratracs in the same size will be much larger both in diameter and tip to tip width.

This is because of the lug design/size and tread depth.

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:52 am
by coaxial
Alright, I'm still set on the duratracs as I think they are the best compromise for me. I'll get them in 235/75/r15 and report my findings.

I have no issues convincing soft parts (arches, flaps) to get out of the way of the tire, I just hope there aren't any hard parts in the way (steering components).

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:33 pm
by jessef
Here's what 235/75/15 Duratrac's look like on Mardy's L400 with a 1" lift.

You can see that they fit large due to the deep and wide lugs.

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This is what 31x10.5x15 Duratracs look like on an L400 with a 2.5" lift.
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Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:54 pm
by coaxial
Good to see them mounted although I'm not sure how the l300/400 compare as far as wheel arches and such.

Discount tire total out the door is $717.93 USD for the duratracs in the USA. So, $717.93 usd in cad = $762 + 30$ gas + prov/fed tax = almost $900 and a day of hassle.

Just got quoted $1000 at fountain tire down the street from me and there is a %10 off goodyear rebate. And they'll mount them tomorrow - in fact they say they've already put several of the 235/75/15 duratracs on delicas and they fit fine.

Jesse you mentioned a lower price at a fountain tire?

I wish they had a stronger sidewall and I am tempted to go more aggressive (KM2, MTR) and larger due to driving a 5spd (KM2 30") but I'd rather be confident on all surfaces, not just mud, and really I've spent too many hours researching and this is the simplest option.

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:59 pm
by loki
jfarsang wrote:Here's what 235/75/15 Duratrac's look like on Mardy's L400 with a 1" lift.
sorry for the thread jack but can you do a 1" lift on the L400 with just re-indexing at the front and something simple on the back?

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:11 pm
by jessef
Unless you lift your L300 2 inches and do some trimming, the 31's will not fit.

The 235's look good.

I would choose them over KM2's anyday.

Loki, you can lift the L400 front end up 1" over stock by just a tbar crank.

The rear has to be either new springs or a spacer between the frame and top coil mount (what I did to mine)

Re: buying new mud tires in the USA

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:12 pm
by loki
jfarsang wrote:Unless you lift your L300 2 inches and do some trimming, the 31's will not fit.

The 235's look good.

I would choose them over KM2's anyday.

Loki, you can lift the L400 front end up 1" over stock by just a tbar crank.

The rear has to be either new springs or a spacer between the frame and top coil mount (what I did to mine)

thanks, I liked the way Mardy's tire lift combo looked a lot.