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Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:05 pm
by FalcoColumbarius
Get a second opinion on that engine.

Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:27 am
by audi4life20v
I wouldn't bother really, as he was navigating a hill he was probably using engine braking so revs would have been slightly up. The problem with flipping a running vehicle is taking all that oil and dumping it on the bottom of the pistons/into cylinders. You tend to cook rings,and if any oil was passed into the combustion chamber you could easily lift the head and destroy a head gasket...in the best of cases. Other issues such as running dry for the few seconds and on a hot motor is especially bad.

I've head first hand of a scoobie that hit a nice hill and unfortunately got some negative g's and ended up cracking the block and destroying internals in an instant.
So it might be worth taking a second look but other then that I'd bet that you toasted the motor.

Sorry to hear about your loss :-( And best of luck getting a new vehicle.

Kyle.

Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:25 am
by mararmeisto
audi4life20v wrote:I wouldn't bother really, as he was navigating a hill he was probably using engine braking so revs would have been slightly up. The problem with flipping a running vehicle is taking all that oil and dumping it on the bottom of the pistons/into cylinders. You tend to cook rings,and if any oil was passed into the combustion chamber you could easily lift the head and destroy a head gasket...in the best of cases. Other issues such as running dry for the few seconds and on a hot motor is especially bad.

I've head first hand of a scoobie that hit a nice hill and unfortunately got some negative g's and ended up cracking the block and destroying internals in an instant.
So it might be worth taking a second look but other then that I'd bet that you toasted the motor.

Sorry to hear about your loss :-( And best of luck getting a new vehicle.

Kyle.
All of these points are good when one is talking about a gasoline engine that is not supposed to have engine oil on the 'wrong side' of the pistons. But since this is a diesel engine, with higher compression values, it really shouldn't be a concern: flip it right side up, drain all fluids, fill all fluids, and fire that bad boy up - it'll probably run just fine.

Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:22 am
by RichD
As usual, conjecture abounds on the forum. Here's my two cents.

Based on your description, that truck's body is a write-off. The cost to repair is going to be greater than the worth. You might as well buy a new van and part this one out.

At least if you finance a new van you know what you are getting for the money, and you can leverage the parts van to service the loan - or help keep the maintenance costs on the new van under control.

Oh, and next time buy self-damage insurance.


P.S. http://www.delica.ca/forum/for-sale-92- ... -8698.html

Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:06 am
by Firesong
Here's what I would try BEFORE I write off that motor.
If it's a blown head gasket try this stuff:
http://www.rxauto.com/?gclid=CMmQt7mTqqMCFQRbDAodZUez4A

We used it on my friends Toyota Surf. It was in nasty shape.
Called the guys in the USA, they were amazing to talk to.
They send this stuff to you and it's there pretty darn quick.
They will walk you through it if you need them to.

It sealed up his head gasket problem quick and that's a while
back. Still running good.
Give it a go.
Cost was like 130$-200 ish
can't remember exactly.

Firesong

Re: FLIPPED my van...

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:13 pm
by audi4life20v
mararmeisto wrote:
audi4life20v wrote:I wouldn't bother really, as he was navigating a hill he was probably using engine braking so revs would have been slightly up. The problem with flipping a running vehicle is taking all that oil and dumping it on the bottom of the pistons/into cylinders. You tend to cook rings,and if any oil was passed into the combustion chamber you could easily lift the head and destroy a head gasket...in the best of cases. Other issues such as running dry for the few seconds and on a hot motor is especially bad.

I've head first hand of a scoobie that hit a nice hill and unfortunately got some negative g's and ended up cracking the block and destroying internals in an instant.
So it might be worth taking a second look but other then that I'd bet that you toasted the motor.

Sorry to hear about your loss :-( And best of luck getting a new vehicle.

Kyle.
All of these points are good when one is talking about a gasoline engine that is not supposed to have engine oil on the 'wrong side' of the pistons. But since this is a diesel engine, with higher compression values, it really shouldn't be a concern: flip it right side up, drain all fluids, fill all fluids, and fire that bad boy up - it'll probably run just fine.
Well personally if he did get enough oil on "the wrong side" in the combustion chamber with the higher compression I'd bet the chances of lifting the head are even greater.
But either way toasted mains or a lifted head doesn't make the engine a paperweight, and if the vehicle is already a write off now would be the perfect opportunity to disassemble down to the bare block and do a complete rebuild. Hell now would be the time to get an overbore done and port/polish the head! Slap a larger turbo on there and BAM! Hot Rodded Delica! =D



As far as that Rx auto product I wouldn't recommend it over ANY sort of proper rebuild. If anything it could cause more damage or hassle when trying to properly fix the blown head gasket. And As I said before, if the van is a write off just rebuild the engine. Hell even if it isn't a write off a rebuild or at least a mini tear down to inspect the bearings is probably good.

Kyle.