Poor driving style

[tonydca]

If *I* were in charge (of ICBC, at least)...

I'd throttle back a bit on the quantity of drunk-driving/excessive-speed-kills ads (not that such pastimes are excusable, but if seeing so many ads won't stop you from doing it by now, nothing will), and spend the money on some simple, cheap, Public Service Announcement (PSA) commercials reviewing the rules of the road - with exmaples for the illiterati to watch!

Can you imagine it?

PSA #5 - "In a roundabout, yield to vehicles already in the intersection (on your left)"
PSA #27 - "It is legal to make a left turn at a red light, provided it is onto a one-way street"
PSA #43 - "It's *not* the 'Fast' Lane, it's the 'Passing' Lane!"
PSA # 57 - "Understanding how 4-way stops work"

The list goes on and on and...

[Green1]

My best experience with the right of way was crossing Lonsdale Ave on 1st Street westbound in North Van. When I approached the stop sign there was another car waiting on the opposite side flashing left turn light. The intersection was clear and I started moving straight when the angry driver who came to a stop sign (not a 4-way stop) first spit on my side window! Fortunately for him I did not notice it right away as I was concentrated on crossing the busy intersection. The situation I described is always scary for me because I never know what to expect from other drivers when it comes to the right-of-way on stop signs; most of them do not know the difference and treat all stop signs in a 4-way manner. I do not think the ignorance is an excuse.

Based on your description, I hate to say it, but it sounds like you were in the wrong.
At a stop sign, if you both have a stop sign, the person who arrives first has right of way, regardless of which direction they are going, straight, right, left, makes no difference.
When you got to the stop sign, you should have stopped and let the left turner go before you proceeded straight through.
(now if I'm misinterpreting, and you were not in fact facing a stop sign at all, and they were, please disregard this post)

[flyfishn]

Profister that doesn't surprise me. I have waved at that same Deli and recieved more of a glare than any feeble attempt at a wave....not a true Deli owner.

[Profister]

please disregard this post

Done.
Your comment does not apply to the situation described.

[Green1]

Your comment does not apply to the situation described.

I don't suppose you'd mind telling me what part I was misinterpreting?

[Profister]

I can send you a PM if you wish. I do not want to derail this thread starting a discussion on legal matters; we have another section for that.

[Green1]

I thought one of the points to this thread was to discuss legal matters including right of way, it seems to be a bit silly for us to chastise others for not knowing the rules for right of way, if we ourselves are no better.

[Erebus]

... but what I'm seeing a lot of lately is people who think they are being courteous by yielding right of way when they have right of way.

It's not courtesy at all. The rules of the road are well-defined, and only work if everybody follows them. If vehicles behave in unpredictable ways, ways that others are not expecting, accidents happen.

LOL. This reminds me of the opposite that happened to me in Germany. Germans are, in general, very ordered and rule-followers. So, I come to a 4-way stop, and realize I'm not sure which way I want to go. So I pick up the map. As I do so, a car comes to the stop from an other direction. I wave to him to go ahead. He waves back, since I have right of way. I hold up map, and wave to him again, and very obviously study map, holding it up so I can't see anything but map. The guy refused to go, even though it was very clear I wasn't about to go anytime soon.

After about 30 seconds, I took pity on the poor fellow and drove across the intersection and pulled over, so he could proceed on his way. And I could study the map at my leisure.

It takes all kinds.

On a different but related note, I hate roundabouts because, yes, most people don't know what to do. Given that they are relatively new in Canada, and no one was taught what to do, small wonder most people mess them up. Especially since in most other situations, the one on the right has right of way, but in a roundabout the one coming from the left has it.

I really dread if they put in 2-lane roundabout, which Calgary is talking about. If people have trouble with a single lane, what will they do in a double one! Scares me to think of it.

[BCDelica]

On a different but related note, I hate roundabouts because, yes, most people don't know what to do. Given that they are relatively new in Canada, and no one was taught what to do, small wonder most people mess them up. Especially since in most other situations, the one on the right has right of way, but in a roundabout the one coming from the left has it.

I really dread if they put in 2-lane roundabout, which Calgary is talking about. If people have trouble with a single lane, what will they do in a double one! Scares me to think of it.

X2. There have been pictures of highway roundabouts in Bangkok from the 40's and 50's, yet there are such a horrible experience if there is any traffic. They are common on Thai highways just outside of the a city. General rule appears to be keep in order, but of course the fastest, boldest, and largest vehicle has the right away. Really there are no rules, but it's a good idea to keep the horn going the entire time in hopes to be noticed - though no one will notice over all the other constant bleating horns. Oh, and if it's a three lane round about, it can easily fit 5 or more vehicles width passing at the same time. Common Thai road rule is if there is space on the road fill it. Busy roundabouts scare the heck out of me, and the last time riding in Bangkok I jumped the curb to avoid the craziness (right in front of the cops once, but TIT and they just smiled at me) - and I don't mind riding a motorbike around the rest of Bangkok! http://www.thailandmania.com/download/t ... or-die.pdf

Though Canadian's are inexperienced with roundabouts, but they're marginally better which is good.

[delicanuck]

Ah... err... Commuters in the right lane, Drifters in the left ?!?!?

With a little tweaking, I bet a Deli could drift..... Now, where's my compressor.

b.

[marsgal42]

With a little tweaking, I bet a Deli could drift..... Now, where's my compressor.

In snow (and in 2 wheel drive) Gumdrop powerslides like a Monaro.

In 4 wheel drive, forget it. On bare pavement (even if wet), forget it.

...laura

[FalcoColumbarius]

With a little tweaking, I bet a Deli could drift..... Now, where's my compressor.

In snow (and in 2 wheel drive) Gumdrop powerslides like a Monaro.

In 4 wheel drive, forget it. On bare pavement (even if wet), forget it.

...laura

Aux contrare... (although she was in 2H, when the wheels are locked I don't think it matters). It was sunny & dry.
http://www.delica.ca/forum/miss-lil-bit ... -6359.html

Falco.

[loki]

With a little tweaking, I bet a Deli could drift..... Now, where's my compressor.

In snow (and in 2 wheel drive) Gumdrop powerslides like a Monaro.

In 4 wheel drive, forget it. On bare pavement (even if wet), forget it.

...laura

Aux contrare... (although she was in 2H, when the wheels are locked I don't think it matters). It was sunny & dry.
http://www.delica.ca/forum/miss-lil-bit ... -6359.html

Falco.

the back end kicking out under braking a power slide does not make. That is closer to a jack knife that a powerslide

[FalcoColumbarius]

Evidently you did not read all the post. I was braking straight ~ when the other driver braked I turned the steering wheel, which is when I went sideways for 20 or 30 feet. Had I been better trained I would have considered powering into the lane that the other driver had previously occupied. The lane was narrow with a concrete wall immediately beside it. The problem had been solved, I didn't need to create a new one.

Respectably, Falco.

[loki]

Evidently you did not read all the post. I was braking straight ~ when the other driver braked I turned the steering wheel, which is when I went sideways for 20 or 30 feet. Had I been better trained I would have considered powering into the lane that the other driver had previously occupied. The lane was narrow with a concrete wall immediately beside it. The problem had been solved, I didn't need to create a new one.

Respectably, Falco.

I thought I read the entire post, I assumed (possibly wrongly) that you didn't go full throttle while avoiding that accident, if your not spinning your drive wheels it's not a power slide, it's just a slide, or a skid.