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The atf works great I use it in all the big diesels before tune-ups and if possible engine work. The problem with the cummins in our double deckers is they run cold and sludge up badly. A splash of atf and a good hard run and they are clean as a whistle

FalcoColumbarius wrote:
I don't get paid by Liqui Moly. I discovered it pretty much when I purchased the Miss Lil' Bitchi and have used it exclusively, save for two oil changes when it wasn't available and used Castrol. The difference is highly noticeable in everyday performance, such as my fuel economy is better; engine runs smoother and reacts faster ~ and ~ it doesn't dry out my seals nor does it take a whole lot of effort when I do the oil change.

I've never tried putting ATF into the crank case so I can't really comment on this but I would think it would be better than solvents or alcohols.

shealy wrote:Oh. So how come it seems so many members here are throwing seafoam into their oil/crankcase before an oil change? Or have I totally missed or misunderstood something? .....

I don't know why people do this, I don't think it's a good idea, myself. Having said that ~ people experiment ~ that can create good business, either for the experimenter or their mechanic.

Falco.

P.S.: This is what my rockers look like with the Liqui Moly:

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We're getting a bit off-topic here. The point of my original post was about cleaning, not lubrication.

I have never used MoS2-containing compounds before, but from its Wikipedia description, I have no doubt they could help lubricate your moving parts. However, I'm not certain it would clean them efficiently if they were already dirty.

My thinking is that I have no control over what previous owners put into my crankcase in the 15 years before I bought it. For the reasons I mentioned right at the start of this thread, I think Seafoam (and it's Liquid-Moly counterpart - which does *not* contain MoS2) would be excellent at removing built-up grime from inside your crankcase. It certainly seems to have had that effect for me.

I'm also not sure that these flushes (when used on occasion as recommended) would dry out engine seals or the like. "Drying out" of parts usually occurs when some portion of them is dissolved/evaporated away. Naphtha and diesel (85% of engine flushes) is from the same family of chemicals as the engine oil that is usually in the crankcase - whose properties the seals are designed to withstand.

The only exception is the alcohol which is (a) a very mild solvent and (b) evaporated before the engine has even warmed up, so it is only in the crankcase for a short time.

I think cleaning and lubrication are both important, but I'm not sure you can always do both at the same time. It's the same with the paint on your van; you clean it with one product (once in a while) to strip the dirt and crud off, then immediately use something else to protect it.

any consideration with cleaning too well too fast and dislodging larger particles that can get into the bearings and oil passages when using these cleaners and crankcase flushes?
diesel oil already has additive detergents to slowly break down overtime and hold things in suspension till the next oil change.

tonydca wrote: We're getting a bit off-topic here. The point of my original post was about cleaning, not lubrication. ....

Sorry Tony, I went by the title angle "...keeping your diesel running cleanly...".

My concern is about dumping alcohol and solvents into the crank case on a constant basis, whether it be made by Seafoam or Liqui Moly. These products, from how I see it, are meant to be used once in a while on very dirty engines. My point is instead of using a cleaner which is going remove all the sludge from the cracks in the older seals and potentially cause oil leaks is use an oil that cleans as it lubricates. I agree with you about not having control over the Japanese owner's choice of oil... but I would wager that the majority of the Delicas were well looked after as far as changing the oil goes. When you think about it ~ a good deal of the cleanliness of the oil will depend on the quality of the lubricity of the oil that is used, would you not think?

Falco.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:My concern is about dumping alcohol and solvents into the crank case on a constant basis, whether it be made by Seafoam or Liqui Moly.

I have yet to see anyone in this small community that uses cleaning agents in their crankcase on a regular basis. We are talking about crankcase cleansing in this thread. These cleaning agents are meant for a single or long interval cleaning process (once every 100k or so). It works and that is well documented over the years long before Delica's entered Canada.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:I agree with you about not having control over the Japanese owner's choice of oil... but I would wager that the majority of the Delicas were well looked after as far as changing the oil goes.

I'll take that bet

Any more feedback regarding ipa to diesel?

I'd like to try this, but I would like a few more posts regarding the merits, etc......

WARNING: I DO NOT RECOMMEND, NOR ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOU OR YOUR VEHICLE, I AM ONLY SHARING MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE FOLLOWING.

I have been using the IPA for seasonal changes as per Tony's experiences at the start of this thread.

The first thing that I will note, is that I have never achieved approx. 480km+ on any tank of diesel on my L400. This is the first time that I have seen one tank result in approx. 518km before the fuel warning light came on.
Here is possibly why:
- purchased a bottle of IPA to add to an almost empty tank (warning light had come on) I added approx. 3-4 cups of IPA and went for approx. a 40km drive
- I then filled up @ Chevron and added my pre-mixture of 2 stroke/Howes (pre-mixed 3:1) and drove for a few days until the van was almost empty again.
- I then added another 3 cups of IPA to the empty tank (approx. 72hrs from the initial IPA treatment), and again my pre-mixture of 2 stroke/Howes.
- drove around the city for approx. 1/2 a tank and then drove up to Whistler on the 1/2 tank remaining, where upon my return I achieved 518km.

The van is easier to start, runs much more quiet, and there is virtually no black smoke on hard accelerations. I cannot share what the direct influence is on this test other than the benefit from the IPA and possibly the second follow-up treatment. I have also never used the pre-mixture of Howes and 2 stroke until this test.

Hopefully the "wizards" will find this information interesting to review!

Joe

purchased a bottle of IPA to add to an almost empty tank

Wait did I miss something?

RichD wrote:

purchased a bottle of IPA to add to an almost empty tank

Wait did I miss something?

Ridgeway_IPA.jpg

LIKE.

lulz seriously though whats this IPA you speak of? I read the thread, did I miss it?

does anybody know if adding two stroke oil to a veggie tank would offer the same results?

after oil wrote:does anybody know if adding two stroke oil to a veggie tank would offer the same results?

The only thing I mix in veg is diesel. I seem to get the same or better mileage from veg overall with this approach. I've been too cautious to mix anything else but I've been considering adding cetane.

RichD wrote:

after oil wrote:does anybody know if adding two stroke oil to a veggie tank would offer the same results?

The only thing I mix in veg is diesel. I seem to get the same or better mileage from veg overall with this approach. I've been too cautious to mix anything else but I've been considering adding cetane.

Veg runs at 90% the efficiency of Diesel so the more diesel you put in the better mileage you'll get.

nxski wrote:

RichD wrote:

after oil wrote:does anybody know if adding two stroke oil to a veggie tank would offer the same results?

The only thing I mix in veg is diesel. I seem to get the same or better mileage from veg overall with this approach. I've been too cautious to mix anything else but I've been considering adding cetane.

Veg runs at 90% the efficiency of Diesel so the more diesel you put in the better mileage you'll get.

I think you are referencing the same study I am thinking of, the one about emissions comparisons between 50-50 blends of WVO & diesel right up to pure WVO. Wasn't it 95%? Anyway its going to be barely measurable by odometer for a standard 10% diesel blend. Anyway this is a little off-topic.

Still don't know what IPA is.

It might be 95%, I'm basing this off memory. The test was the efficiency between pure diesel and pure WVO, I don't recall a test with a 50% mix. Sounds like our numbers match up though if straight diesel is 100, 50% = 95 and straight WVO = 90. It's true that a 10% blend would be really difficult to notice in an uncontrolled environment. I just remember researching it when fuel prices were $1.47 because SVO at Costco was $1.37 so was almost better value than diesel and really easy to pick up while travelling.

It would be nice to know what IPA is, sounds like it's showing some good results and I doubt putting beer in the tank would do that!