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deli1733 wrote:It shouldnt cost you more then 4 hours labour and a 20 dollar seal.

Due to different engine mechanism,
If you work on L300 ( 4D56 ) IP main seal only, it takes 4 hours to finish and plus seal and coolant ( radiator come out ).
But in the 4M40, we may need 6-8 hours labours, main seal, 2 o-rings, etc.

We have to tell oil seal from O-rings( IP has only one main oil seal and several O-rings ( not oil seals).

Steven

4m40 takes 4-5 hours as well

Rising Sun Auto Import wrote:

deli1733 wrote:It shouldnt cost you more then 4 hours labour and a 20 dollar seal.

Due to different engine mechanism,
If you work on L300 ( 4D56 ) IP main seal only, it takes 4 hours to finish and plus seal and coolant ( radiator come out ).
But in the 4M40, we may need 6-8 hours labours, main seal, 2 o-rings, etc.

We have to tell oil seal from O-rings( IP has only one main oil seal and several O-rings ( not oil seals).

Steven

Are you in the right forum !?!? To pull the IP on an L300, the radiator does NOT need to be touched and to replace the main shaft seal on the 4M40 takes approx 4 hrs that includes, removal of the IP, re&re main shaft seal, reinstallation of the IP and test.

This is the reason why dealers should stay out of topics like these.

Now you get conflicting numbers on parts, labour and processes.

This thread would have been fine without the sale pitch of one dealer and the input of the other.

The stock o-rings/seals in the Bosch Injection pump (that is inside the L400/Pajero 4M40) are synthetic rubber Viton.

Original poster, if you are paying for 6-8 hours or labour, look elsewhere. The only technical aspect is to ensure proper timing marks are lined up prior/post the IP re&re. The rest is average diesel mechanics.

Take it to CVI. They will charge you honestly on labour.

Mmmm, kind of reminds me of..... The Last Word Cafe.

jfarsang wrote:

Rising Sun Auto Import wrote: But in the 4M40, we may need 6-8 hours labours, main seal, 2 o-rings, etc.

We have to tell oil seal from O-rings( IP has only one main oil seal and several O-rings ( not oil seals).

Steven

The stock o-rings/seals in the Bosch Injection pump (that is inside the L400/Pajero 4M40) are synthetic rubber Viton.

Hi Farsang,
I have endorced your posts when I believe they are really true.
But sometimes you lost your mind due to hatred for us.

You said main seal for L400 is synthetic rubber Viton.

But in this thread you posted earlier, you said main seal is not Viton and may have an issue.
Which is true?
Viton is never worn out?
What’s the difference between oil seal and o-rings?
How many oil seals/o rings are there in L400 IP?

jfarsang wrote: After 1994 Viton seals are used for the exception of the main shaft seal.

As for the work procedures, duration, associated parts, I would say all your post are from desk computer.
If you have a real invoice from CVI, show us for real reference.
I used to rely on CVI for this work before I started this service and I have invoices.

Discussion should be constructive.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:
Mmmm, kind of reminds me of..... The Last Word Cafe.

Ouch

Steven

psilosin ,

pls call me if you dont mind or give me your phone number so i can call you .
i dont response on steven rising sun comment as what your thinking.
i do response on the author main topic. as hes asking for help regarding ip issue.
hope this is clear to you. you sometime mis- judge me.
as per your parts i got your message thursday.
already prepare it.
maybe i am just slow and short of worker to provide lower cost for customer.
pls if you need it urgent let me know.as i deal with customer from east coast to west coast.
you dont have to post this parts order on this topic.
just give me a call or i can call you.
hope this clear your mind on this.
i dont ignore you but just busy,
i appreciate your business. but cannot do rush rush.
hope you understand this.


thank you

jfarsang wrote:

Rising Sun Auto Import wrote:

deli1733 wrote:It shouldnt cost you more then 4 hours labour and a 20 dollar seal.

Due to different engine mechanism,
If you work on L300 ( 4D56 ) IP main seal only, it takes 4 hours to finish and plus seal and coolant ( radiator come out ).
But in the 4M40, we may need 6-8 hours labours, main seal, 2 o-rings, etc.


Steven

Are you in the right forum !?!? To pull the IP on an L300, the radiator does NOT need to be touched and to replace the main shaft seal on the 4M40 takes approx 4 hrs that includes, removal of the IP, re&re main shaft seal, reinstallation of the IP and test.

This is the reason why dealers should stay out of topics like these.

Now you get conflicting numbers on parts, labour and processes.

This thread would have been fine without the sale pitch of one dealer and the input of the other.

Pls see attached L300 engine room.
It will be way easier if you take out radiator for IP main seal replacement.
** lots of space, easy use of tools, accurate work ,etc.

your reasoning is unreasonable at the customers expense

If you are doing a re&re of an L300 IP, the radiator does not HAVE to be removed like you say it does.

With that same logic, I can tell you from experience that the engine has to be removed to install an L400 block heater because it's easier.

Viton - I never said the main shaft seal is made of synth viton.

Your posts are riddled with question marks. Quite funny coming from a dealer who is recommending to another member to do a major rebuild and then asking questions about parts you posted earlier. Seems your posts are at odds with each other.

Good thing you read only what gets you riled up and nothing more. Makes your posts one-sided.

If you wouldn't have posted your parts for sale and advising the original poster to rebuild his injection pump, this thread would have not been moved here.

He asked a simple question. Are there any mechanics that would replace only the main seal for a few bucks. You derailed the thread.

Keep going. You're the dealer that has to get the last two bits in.

It's funny how dealer sales was supposed to dissapear from the discussion area on this forum but you haven't changed much. Neither has Mardy. He shouldn't have responded to you. tsk tsk guys.

jfarsang wrote:
The stock o-rings/seals in the Bosch Injection pump (that is inside the L400/Pajero 4M40) are synthetic rubber Viton.

Who put aboved post? ghost?
Do you know what is Oil seal and what is O-ring?
Do you think we have lots of oil seals inside L400 IP?
Very interesting…

jfarsang wrote:
Viton - I never said the main shaft seal is made of synth viton.

Steven

MardyDelica wrote:psilosin ,

pls call me if you dont mind or give me your phone number so i can call you .
i dont response on steven rising sun comment as what your thinking.
i do response on the author main topic. as hes asking for help regarding ip issue.
hope this is clear to you. you sometime mis- judge me.
as per your parts i got your message thursday.
already prepare it.
maybe i am just slow and short of worker to provide lower cost for customer.
pls if you need it urgent let me know.as i deal with customer from east coast to west coast.
you dont have to post this parts order on this topic.
just give me a call or i can call you.
hope this clear your mind on this.
i dont ignore you but just busy,
i appreciate your business. but cannot do rush rush.
hope you understand this.


thank you

Mardy you are joking right? This is all I get from you after 4 weeks, more excuses that are just a joke.

'i dont ignore you but just busy" - really, over 4 weeks you did not have the time to send me a 30 second email. Sorry do not believe this to be true. Only way to get a response from you is for me to be mean on the forum. Then you respond with falsehoods.

'i appreciate your business. But cannot do rush rush' - so you consider waiting 4 weeks for any type of response to be rush rush?? Lol. Recently over the same time frame I inquired, ordered, and have received some items I ordered from the Netherlands Antilles (middle of nowhere) and you think sending an email in a 4week time window is rush rush?

You should count how many questions you ask in your posts relative to the knowledge and advice you are 'giving'.

Go on... read below.. yes... read ... all ... of ... it ... go on .... every word .... this is amusing.

jfarsang wrote:Good thing you read only what gets you riled up and nothing more. Makes your posts one-sided.

jfarsang wrote:The dealers ignore one large factor :

After 1994 Viton seals are used for the exception of the main shaft seal.

4hrs labour + $17 main shaft seal

You do know what 'exception' means, don't you ?

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception

2. anything excluded from

3. not included

To quote a famous man ~ Sean Connery: Boy, you might be legally retarded.

(not applying to you, just the scenario)



re.http://snltranscripts.jt.org/00/00hjeopardy.phtml

That's great that you guys sorted it out and dismissed the expert advice of absolutely no way and there is no chance. That's comedy.

This is what I meant by "Thanks for coming out".

Rising Sun Auto Import wrote:

psilosin wrote:Here is a video of me starting up the L400 today. Outside temperature is 8oC...so far from cold. This is a pretty average startup for temps >3oC to <10oC...not super smokey but enough to be embarrassing at work. Closer to 0oC the cranking and smoke are 10-20x more...I'll get a video of that next cold morning.

Glow plugs as previously mentioned are brand new.

I first thought power source to ECU/glow plug relay is way too low ( low possibility ).
From my experience, I would say you need fuel delivery system service/ or IP main seal replacement ( high possibility ).


Steven

psilosin wrote:

I guess I have been compression only starting my van since purchase (it started poorly until mid-april when it warmed up) lol. Considering that it is actually pretty impressive I get started at all.

I ended up wiring in another entire parallel glow circuit (wires, relay, trigger) so the factory/mardy circuit can remain as is and if I get another official mitsubishi relay it can take over again. I made a simple extension harness so I could still use the coolant sensor trigger so my new system operates just like factory. Used a 120amp relay and 4ga wire and mounted the relay on the egr blanking plate.

I already told possibility of weak glow plug relay problem at first thought.
OP had had a hard time to start in cold weather since purchase before warm weather came up.
No need to modify wires with aftermarket Ford relay or something if the seller recognize this and send a used/new original relay.
I am still very curious you can start in 3 seconds without any power source in 8 degree temp ( it should be more colder overnight ).
Or new Hyundai 11V glow plugs help?

Anyhow it was frightening lots of members from xxx camp were coming out like bees.

Steven

You say one thing .. There is no way .. No chance ..
And then you say you're curious about the same thing. Your technical advice is as confusing and contradictory as a jenga or rubix puzzle.

Please stop quoting yourself, repeating yourself and posting to get the last word in. This is one long term topic I do not want moved to the last word cafe because of you constant nagging. Please create another topic with your points.