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This is a x-post from RHD Political and Legal Matters. As it looks like I should have placed this post here(?) My apologizes.

Hello all, I’m a proud new owner of a 1992 Delica L300 Exceed.
I am posting here to try and get caught up on the RHD situation in Winnipeg, Manitoba. And more specifically, the Delica situation. I know I have seen at least 4 in the city.

I went to get my Delica safetied on July 21 at a Mitsubishi dealer here in Winnipeg and failed its inspection. This is what the inspector failed me on-

He failed me on not having the right kind of lights on the Delica. That is, all the lights, front and back, were documented for not being graded for LHD roads.

This is the literature from MPI that he based this off of…

"Headlamps-Transport Canada has approved the use of certain “E” coded headlamps in Canada.
In situations where a vehicle is equipped with headlamps with an “E” code and:

1) An arrow symbol showing in both directions (←→) - do not reject these headlamps simply because they do not have a “DOT/SAE” marking; or
2) No arrow symbol, do not reject simply because they do not have a “DOT/SAE” marking; or
3) An arrow symbol facing to the right (→) REJECT as these lamps are not intended for right hand traffic roadways.
Lamps that do not display any “DOT/SAE” or “E” code must still be rejected. "
*the highlighted text is what the inspector is basing the fail off of

The thing I really don’t get is if you look at the photos I have provided you can see the the left lights point to the left and the right lights point to the right. So what does that mean in terms of what MPI has written here.
(photos of lights and documents https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u8r250o3ct9l ... I63rnMt8Fa all lights are in there respective folders)

I talked to a gentlemen from rockymountainimports.net, to see if there are any lights I can purchase that follow these guidelines. He said that the lights that I have on are actually not the stock lights and they are the lights from a LHD Delica. So they should pass no problem, as they are projecting light in the proper way. He also mentioned that all the guys in BC have already gone through this with their authority. I seems like the inspector did me a disservice but don't have the knowledge to make that claim.

So, does anyone have any advice for me. I am really hoping I don't have to settle with a bunch of lights bolted on my bullbar.

-are these lights legal or not?
-if they aren’t, what is the solution?
-if they are, what is the solution?
-to my fellow Delica owners in Winnipeg, have you run into this?
-what was your solution?

Any and all advice is truly appreciated.

Cheers,
Marcus

You posted pics of the docs, not your lights.


You stated one light has a left arrow....and the right side has a right arrow so your beams are slightly crossed? Better take some good pics of thoses lenses and talk to where you got them from....you may have one non-code light in there. And the E-codes....well there are a few that are designed for driving on the right side of the road....E-13 or is it E-11.....is acceptable in Canada.

Where are the other L300 owners????guys??? Especially the Manitoba folks.

Oh and what is this about the tail lights not being e-code????? Thats not a requirement anywhere in Canada. They must be functional, correct color (red with/without amber and clear)and not broken or patched with a repair product like colored tape.

The E-code only applies to headlights....not signal lights and not marker lights, it also does not apply to fog/driving or off-road lights. The purpose of the E-code is so that the beam pattern of your normal headlights points in the correct location on the road and not in the eyes of oncoming traffic.

There are numerous import vehicles currently sold in dealerships across Canada that don't bear DOT or anyother recognized e-code mark on their signal lights. Also the station bulletin you posted clearly says it applies to HEADLAMPS (only).

Personally I would challenge the inspection at least parts of if where the assessment is clearly flawed.
Get your facts together by calling your registry office and see what literature they have about RHD inspections. A little knowledge goes a long way when you use it right.

I saw a completely straight from the dealer new Porsche Panamera without E coded head lamps, no DOT no SAE marks nothing.
My self I met this " inspector " at Mitsubishi dealership and in my opinion he needs pass another test for car mechanic and ethic training. May be life will give him lesson.
At this dealership they wants only screw you for money and all are acting like bad train circus monkey.

Big-Bird wrote:You posted pics of the docs, not your lights.


You stated one light has a left arrow....and the right side has a right arrow so your beams are slightly crossed? Better take some good pics of thoses lenses and talk to where you got them from....you may have one non-code light in there. And the E-codes....well there are a few that are designed for driving on the right side of the road....E-13 or is it E-11.....is acceptable in Canada.

Where are the other L300 owners????guys??? Especially the Manitoba folks.

Oh and what is this about the tail lights not being e-code????? Thats not a requirement anywhere in Canada. They must be functional, correct color (red with/without amber and clear)and not broken or patched with a repair product like colored tape.

The E-code only applies to headlights....not signal lights and not marker lights, it also does not apply to fog/driving or off-road lights. The purpose of the E-code is so that the beam pattern of your normal headlights points in the correct location on the road and not in the eyes of oncoming traffic.

There are numerous import vehicles currently sold in dealerships across Canada that don't bear DOT or anyother recognized e-code mark on their signal lights. Also the station bulletin you posted clearly says it applies to HEADLAMPS (only).

Personally I would challenge the inspection at least parts of if where the assessment is clearly flawed.
Get your facts together by calling your registry office and see what literature they have about RHD inspections. A little knowledge goes a long way when you use it right.

Thanks for the response

The headlamp photos are in folders above those photos. But here-
The E-Codes off the headlamps are E-4
FRONT LEFT PICS: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8je32fgbkskf ... X1IQybVDya
FRONT RIGHT PICS: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j5ag2rzcugtr ... WS9p8tM61a
So I guess the headlamps are wrong?

Anyone know a knowledgeable inspector In Winnipeg?
I've been talking to a lot of people on the phone from BC and MB but haven't found any owners or inspectors.

Cheers,
Marcus

helicon20 wrote:I saw a completely straight from the dealer new Porsche Panamera without E coded head lamps, no DOT no SAE marks nothing.
My self I met this " inspector " at Mitsubishi dealership and in my opinion he needs pass another test for car mechanic and ethic training. May be life will give him lesson.
At this dealership they wants only screw you for money and all are acting like bad train circus monkey.

It was a pretty ridiculous situation. Everyone was super rude when I got there and when the inspection was done the guy was fighting to not talk to me. He even said "what, can't you read?!" and pointed to the MPI print out that was handed to me. None of his explanations really made sense and he took more time telling me I should sell my Delica and trying to convince me to sell it then actually talking about his report. Regardless, it's been a frustrating week trying to track down leads to knowledgeable people in Winnipeg. Ironically, I seen two Delicas this week but haven't been able to chase them down to ask them questions about their experiences. Usually you are lucky if you see one in a month.

Here's a very en-light-ening article.....ha ha ha. Based on your arrow (right facing) that light might the source of the problem.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech ... codes.html

I also sent PM's to ManitobaDeli (who hasn't been online since late 2003) and Windsong who are both Deli owners...they can offer some info I am sure.

Only picking my L400 up this week so haven't been through the licencing hassle yet, but a few thoughts: Stay away from Mitzi dealers re inspections in Manitoba, appear very uncooperative, even hostile, in even discussing Delicas in conversations I attempted. There are quite a few L300's on the road in Manitoba and they are listed on MPIC's web site re licencing. Manitoba Delica owners need to get in touch with each other and share resources more. I've PM'ed muk138 and encourage all Manitoba owners to get involved. As to ManitobaDeli sent him an email and received a reply a couple of weeks ago....as to my own attempts re my post asking for Manitoba owners to get in touch have only received one contact.....come on folks lets get it together! You folks out west have been great!

Don't know much about this stuff at all. I'm driving a '93 L300 in Ontario with no issues. But I'm thinking that Mitsu dealership is screwing you. They'd be much happier selling you a new car off their lot than helping you with something they can't make money on...

I'd be going to another garage that writes safety certs. An independent perhaps....

Just a thought, Phil

Windsong & MUK:

Check your PM's.

Manitoba Deli has some contacts and can help you both out with a reliable and realisitc OOPI done by someone who understands JDM and the import laws. And the shop is in Winnipeg.

I am sad to see the reception you got from the local Mitsu dealer, this is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm going to drop in at the local dealership here and see what kind of reception I get. If it's not good... I'm going to be really upset. I haven't heard similar attitudes about the dealerships in Australia or the UK; or even the US, some people actually met helpful staff at US dealerships.

When I picked up my L400 Delica the transport company employee told me one of his buddies works at the Mitsubishi dealership, and he was very thrilled to see the Delica.

I know dealerships are in it for the money (the investors / owners) but you would expect tech staff to like the technology and be enthusiastic about it. Especially if it's from the company they work for!

I want to thank everyone that reached out and gave their input.
In the end it was like a lot of you said, the people at the dealership were a) going for a cash grab. b) were completely not accurate in their inspection.
I was able to get my Delica safetied at Rudy's Auto Service Ltd. The whole experience was a complete polar opposite to the dealer.
I look forward to seeing you all around the forums, and hopefully in person! I am a media guy by trade so look forward to seeing content from me around the site in the future!

Well last Tuesday I received a pdf from AAI of the BC safety, BC registration, and a bill of sale for my van. Printed them off and went down to the local MPI outlet and handed them to the girl at the counter, explained I had bought a van in Vancouver and that I wanted to licence and register it in Manitoba before I flew out to the coast to pick it up. She said she knew that MPI recognized a Sask. safety but she wasn't sure about a BC safety, I told her I had been told that they would. She got on the phone to MPI in Winnipeg and after about 45 min. of back and forth conversation between her and MPI, and faxing my documents to MPI, she took my money and handed me my new plates and registration. Now during that 45 min. I never said a word, and the only question I was asked was what colour it was. She also asked me to check the vin # when I got the van to make sure it matched the one on the documents. That was it, not a question about it being a JP import or right hand drive, or needing a Manitoba safety. Left the place with a big smile on my face and headed for Winnipeg and my flight to Vancouver! Life is good!

That's awesome!!! Less is always more in situations like these. In other words,, don't ask questions you don't want to know the answers to.... I met another Deli owner here in Ontario while on holiday. We followed him to his home (in my buddy's Westy). When I asked him if he ever had problems getting insurance, he said no. He never told them it was right hand drive. And they never asked.....

I'm the same at the border. I pretend I have a mouthful of peanut butter stuck in my mouth. It's hard to speak, so I just give them the minimum amount of information. The first thing customs buddy says to me is, You're on the wrong side of the car.... I say to him. I'm actually on the "right side". Then I drove through laughing my head off:)

Enjoy your new van!!!