Fanny Bay Delica wrote:mararmeisto wrote:Fanny Bay Delica wrote:What a load of self-indulgent drivel IMO.
Be that as you may see it, it is THEIR dream. And more importantly, they're not just dreaming it, they're living it.
IMO, I think it is a much more sustainable trip that the one Al Gore is flying about pitching his "Inconvenient Truth" movie. I doubt the aircraft Al was flying about in was even a tenth as green as this van is going to be...
Not trying to rain on their parade but I fail to see how driving around the continent on chip fat does anything to improve the environment or raises the profile of anything in particular. If someone wants to drive around for 4-5 months on an adventure, more power to them but to cloak it in some higher purpose is a little bit delusional. Trying to set a record on chip fat distance is a fine objective in and of itself. Again IMO!!
Andy,
you have obviously researched our proposals and goals extremely thoroughly.
Congratulations!, you caught us; we
ARE trying to gain recognition to a cause we have absolutely no affiliation with… and I thought no one would catch on. I have obviously underestimated the likes of Andy – 91 jade over silver.
Seriously though,
YOU (Andy – 91 jade over silver) are the
exact demographic we are targeting. The production company that’s representing us in an effort to create a television series is tailoring something with people like you in mind. So don’t fret, you will be entertained and will learn a few things.
I have another critic in Vancouver, you two should meet. Here is that critic’s response:
Quote:
“Will that create like 45,000 tons of CO2? Seems a bit much to be burning oil for a trip, for the environment, no? Is that different from burning cash for a fundraiser? Or hosting dog fights to raise
awareness for the SPCA? Doesn't seem that sustainable to me, especially in a climate of rising food prices, which is what they are burning (vegetable oil). The engine isn't as efficient as a gas car, so am I missing something? I can understand they are going on an awesome trip, but it seems not very well thought out, unless they are cruising on solar/nuclear/wind/wave/superman power its not reallysustainable at all.”
So you both missed some important issues here.
1. No, 1 km driven does not translate to 1 TON of CO2.
2. I am not about to green wash our choice in fuel. WVO is not a viable alternative for a green future. Although Biodiesel corporations will have you think this is true, and will green wash it by calling it “carbon neutral,” it’s not.
a. What WVO is though, is a recycled product that requires little to no rendering, therefore little to no CO2 emissions.
b. Vegetable oil comes from plants that grow, absorb C02, and is then released as we burn it in our vehicle. This is the “theory” of carbon neutral that Biodiesel corporations would have you believe. What they don’t tell you is to harvest, fertilize, pesticide, and process the oil creates C02. Well the studies of exactly how much CO2 it creates is still debatable, but we do know one thing… it is a better alternative than fossil fuels.
c. Because our emissions are in theory far less then what they would be on standard diesel you wouldn’t think we would purchase carbon credits to offset the little carbon we create. But we would. In fact, we are actually offsetting the entire trip if it was done on standard diesel. Doing this actually will give us a negative surplus of carbon.
d. Before you make any more wild allegations and try to discredit carbon credits, I highly suggest you do your own research. If you are still a skeptic on how carbon credits actually work, then feel free to give me a call.
3. I am unclear as to how nuclear is sustainable? There is an entire page on uranium that I’m not prepared to write here.
4. Don’t worry the fact that we are burning a recycled product that grows out of the ground doesn’t mean food prices are going to rise. Yes, there are some issues surrounding the rising cost of food due to the production of ethanol and Biofuels; this doesn’t relate to our system. Unless you can devise a system of converting waste vegetable oil into food for developing nations, then you will become a saint. Until that day, I am burning it in my car.
5. We haven’t told you what engine we are using yet, so it’s difficult to make a statement like “The engine isn't as efficient as a gas car.”
a. And our 93 Mitsubishi Delica is extremely efficient. The 2.5 Lt engine gets 28.22 Miles per US gallon, or 8.33 km per Lt. Not too bad if you compare it to other vehicles in its class.
6. You’re right, the trip will be awesome!
7. Driving to break a world record on longest journey doesn’t sound very sustainable, correct. The method in which we are using to do this is the most sustainable option available to us. We are using systems such as carbon credits that make it sustainable and are available to everyone. You can’t expect two well intentioned individuals to attempt to break a world record for no cause. Our cause just happens to be one of the most urgent on our planet.
8. The awareness and change we hope to invoke will offset anything we do within those 4 months and even you can’t predict what that change will be. You certainly wouldn’t slander David Suzuki for driving across Canada to create awareness.
So to summarize, you are both the exact reason why people like us do things like this: the type that jump to conclusions, state foolish proclamations, adopt others’ thoughts, and NEVER do their own research.
As for your poppycock, well you need to research what exactly we are proposing before you such make wild allegations Andy – 91 jade over silver. I’m sure our partner Sierra Club would have something to say about your drivel. And it’s for these reasons, people like you will see the sustainable projects Driven to Sustain visits, adopt their thoughts, jump to conclusions, and begin going around stating sustainable proclamations. Goal Achieved!
Although I am flattered to have you as a critic, unfortunately I believe your time would be better spent becoming an individual supporter by donating at
http://driventosustain.ca/Support.html or by donating with our partners such as
http://www.sierraclub.bc.ca/quick-links/donate
I think that will be SOOOOOOOO cool if a bunch of Delicas were to be there with you at the start, maybe even drive all the way to the ferry with you. I would surely do that if I wasn't going away...