Delica Canada | Mitsubishi Van Club

came accross this tarnishing news;

"At 23:05 (15:05 UTC) on 12 October 2002, a suicide bomber inside the nightclub Paddy's Pub detonated a bomb in his backpack, causing many patrons, with or without injuries, to immediately flee into the street. Fifteen seconds later, a second and much more powerful car bomb hidden inside a white Mitsubishi L300 van, was detonated by another suicide bomber outside the Sari Club, located opposite Paddy's Pub. The van was also rigged for detonation by remote control in case the second bomber had a sudden change of heart. Damage to the densely populated residential and commercial district was immense, destroying neighbouring buildings and shattering windows several blocks away. The car bomb explosion left a one meter deep crater"
The Mitsubishi L300 van bomb was initially thought to have consisted of C4, a military grade plastic explosive which is difficult to obtain. However, investigators discovered the bomb was made from potassium chlorate, aluminum powder, and sulfur. For the Sari club bomb with the L300 van, the team assembled 12 plastic filing cabinets filled with explosives. The cabinets, each containing a potassium chlorate, aluminum powder, sulfur mixture with TNT kicker-charges, was connected by 150 meters of PETN-filled detonating cord. Ninety-four RDX electric detonators were fitted to the TNT. The total weight of the van bomb was 1.125 tons. The large, high-temperature blast damage produced by this mixture was similar to a thermobaric explosive,although the bombers may not have known this.

Ouch...

On a more positive note, the some of the perpetrators were punished today: execution by firing squad.

mararmeisto wrote:Ouch...

On a more positive note, the some of the perpetrators were punished today: execution by firing squad.

Nicely done. Now if only Canada would take a harder stance against its own brutal criminals....

On a more positive note, the some of the perpetrators were punished today: execution by firing squad.

Nothing positive about a firing squad... Just more death and brutality.

Nicely done. Now if only Canada would take a harder stance against its own brutal criminals....

Thank God Canada is a relatively civilised place where we don't execute people. The state having the power to end people's lives, no matter what they have done, is a scary can of worms.
It's a grim tragedy about those bombings as are many of the things that lead those bombers to kill those other people (not to mention wrecking those delicas!) but I don't see how standing them against a wall and getting a bunch of other guys to kill them helps the matter. And that doesn't mean I think those guys should be off the hook for what they did or that it is justifiable, just that the rest of us as a collective killing (or torturing...) them is unhealthy for us all - Oh, and I should probably mention Steven Truscot, David Millgard, Donald Marshall...

Read it first on the Delica.ca, read about just a moment ago in today’s Bangkok Post over a cup of tea.

It is a grim story, but shows how informative Delica.ca is.

konadog wrote:

On a more positive note, the some of the perpetrators were punished today: execution by firing squad.

Nothing positive about a firing squad... Just more death and brutality.

Nicely done. Now if only Canada would take a harder stance against its own brutal criminals....

Thank God Canada is a relatively civilised place where we don't execute people. The state having the power to end people's lives, no matter what they have done, is a scary can of worms.
It's a grim tragedy about those bombings as are many of the things that lead those bombers to kill those other people (not to mention wrecking those delicas!) but I don't see how standing them against a wall and getting a bunch of other guys to kill them helps the matter. And that doesn't mean I think those guys should be off the hook for what they did or that it is justifiable, just that the rest of us as a collective killing (or torturing...) them is unhealthy for us all - Oh, and I should probably mention Steven Truscot, David Millgard, Donald Marshall...

here here!

In Indonesian culture it's generally considered morally and legally a correct form of punishment. Other countries, with even closer ties to Canada, practise with even higher numbers.

Capital Punishment in 2007
Indonesia: 1
USA: 42
Pakistan: 135
China: 470*

* Based on public reports, Amnesty International estimated that at least 470 people were executed and 1,860 people sentenced to death during 2007, although the true figures were believed to be much higher.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:What I find of interest in this is that the L-300 was carrying one and one quarter tonnes. That is quite the payload for the frame it sits on.

Falco.

It's interesting, because I was going to comment on that point about 14 posts ago. However, I figured I had sufficiently sidetracked the thread down the capital-punishment-theme to prevent any other input from my quarter.

mararmeisto wrote:

FalcoColumbarius wrote:What I find of interest in this is that the L-300 was carrying one and one quarter tonnes. That is quite the payload for the frame it sits on.

Falco.

It's interesting, because I was going to comment on that point about 14 posts ago. However, I figured I had sufficiently sidetracked the thread down the capital-punishment-theme to prevent any other input from my quarter.

I suppose the bombers figured they wouldn't need the bus the next day so wern't worried about breaking it beyond the distance they planned to travel - I wonder how far that was? And Mararmeisto, input from your quarter is always welcome, from my quarter anyway!

after oil wrote:

konadog wrote:

On a more positive note, the some of the perpetrators were punished today: execution by firing squad.

Nothing positive about a firing squad... Just more death and brutality.

Nicely done. Now if only Canada would take a harder stance against its own brutal criminals....

Thank God Canada is a relatively civilised place where we don't execute people. The state having the power to end people's lives, no matter what they have done, is a scary can of worms.
It's a grim tragedy about those bombings as are many of the things that lead those bombers to kill those other people (not to mention wrecking those delicas!) but I don't see how standing them against a wall and getting a bunch of other guys to kill them helps the matter. And that doesn't mean I think those guys should be off the hook for what they did or that it is justifiable, just that the rest of us as a collective killing (or torturing...) them is unhealthy for us all - Oh, and I should probably mention Steven Truscot, David Millgard, Donald Marshall...

here here!

x3

Given that the judicial system has mistakenly imprisoned people, had they executed them, there would be no correcting of their mistakes. It also assumes that those executed are beyond rehabilitation, which no one is. It also tells our kids a mixed message: "You killed someone, and that was wrong. So we're going to kill you, which is right."

I think studies have shown (not that I have those studies at my fingertips) that capital punishment does not reduce crime. What reduces crime is being more proactive at the small crime level, so those perpetrators do not progress to the larger crimes. When a teenager does some petty crime, the judicial system needs to be more imaginative and proactive about transforming them. Otherwise they can progress to major crimes and then the country says, "Now you're a mess. What's the best way we can erase the problem you are?" And we get onto the discussion of capital punishment.