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solanoid wrote:"I dont beleive in any conspiracy theory at all"
-Mr F.

Therefore all of the subjects that I have brought up regarding the government/burocratic corruption are justified? its alright for these people in power to further their own personal agendas at the expense of the citizens? You have not argued any of the facts Ive brought up regarding this subject.

So why dont YOU elaborate on how this is acceptable behaviour, and please do not retort with some pretentious crap about leprechauns

I never said those things were justified. I would ask that you not put words in my mouth nor assume that you understand my position on the issues.

I don't think that the war in Afganistan nor Iraq was justified, and Iraq had the first use of a massive private Army from Blackwater. I am not ignorant of these things and I object to your constant inferrance that I am ignorant. That is, at the very least unfair on your part.

Having said that, I still need to buy fuel for my van, so I do so. Are there political things that governments are involved in which I do not support? Yes - this is why I vote. It is also why I write letters on dead-tree paper and send them to the given members of parliment in order to enact changes.

Is is alright for the powerful to manipulate the system? No, I don't believe that it is. But does that give me cause to become bent all out of shape and go live in a shack in the hills? No, it does not do that either.

If you give me specific instances of facts in which you wish to debate, or philosophical positions that you would be interested in seeing how I stand, I am willing to do so for my part.

Mr F.

I am satisfied with your indirect responses, I rest my case.

What is your opinion on the federal mint?

Will someone else please contribute to this thread, dont let Mr F. and I have all the fun

OK, I couldn't resist. I'd just like to add that with the presence of overwhelming verifiable evidence or the deliberate omission of unfavorable information some conspiracy theories become actual conspiracy fact.
I dare to say that nobody that reads up on the history of the Rothchilds and Rockefellers can deny seeing a clear and well thought out plattern to interfere with governments, international peace and politics starting in the 1850's. No matter how much we debate and say 'I'm right, you're wrong'. This is fact, no fiction. Read further into these subjects and one can not deny the fact that for example in both world wars, all sides have been financed by above bankers. Once that pattern emerges, the sky is the limit for conspiracy theories to become conspiracy fact.
For some people it is just enough to say ' I don't believe it' and forget about it, but for me it isn't, so I keep on reading and informing myself. Just keep an open mind to the fact that worldwide a few bankers own the media, the networks and the earths resources and yes the people they allow to be seated in governments by funding/not funding/eliminating candidates. The problem is that most conspiracy websites use retoric that in my opinion sound like Marxist propaganda and thus quite stupid, which is a shame, since sometimes good info is wasted on critical readers that way.
But if you're even mildly interested in the possibility of "The Big Stink", eat your hart out, the information is out there and 9/11, HAARP, Wall Street crashes and war conspiracy theories don't seem all that far fetched. I just don't want to waste my energy on trying to convince others.
This will be my only post on this subject.
Cheers, JR

Mr. Flibble wrote:........I don't think that the war in Afganistan nor Iraq was justified, ......

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember why we (Canada) officially went into Afghanada? I know the answer to this, I heard it on the CBC, but I am curious as to how many people here remember "why"?

Secondly: It has been recorded that there have only ever been three steel structured buildings in the history of man to have allegedly collapsed due to fire, which are Trade Centers 1, 2 & 7. Can anyone tell me of others that I cannot find. And remember: I'm talking about steel structured buildings, not buildings that contain steel elements.

By the way, how does burning diesel weaken steel, anyway? So far it hasn't managed to melt my engine...

Falco.

JR,

Thank you so much, very well said.

Falco,

I beleive that our troops were sent there as "peace keepers" yet their primary objective is to hunt taliban. Once again, this is only to help the people obtain freedom from their "evil" leaders. It has nothing to do with oil, or opium or establishing a pupet government.

Well, what you ZOMBIES think of that? by the way you guys speaking of zombies is quite ironic

Here's a couple of explanations about the collapse of the towers Falco:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/01 ... -0112.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... owers-fell
I don't think we had just cause to go into Afghanistan, thought he US contributed to the rise of the Taliban in the first place by financing and training them to fight the Soviets, so I suppose they owed the beleaguered populous there some kind of help. Doesn't seem to be working very well though...
There sure was no just cause for invading Iraq. Like Vietnam and the fabricated attack on one of their ships in the Gulf of Tonkin, the powers that be in the US that get rich making war, they made up a story of weapons of mass destruction (though they have plenty of their own...). Sadam was a nasty guy, but as old Jean Chretien said when he refused to commit Canada to that war, there are lots of nasty leaders in lots of places - it's not up to us to tell other countries who runs their governments and it's sure no reason to go off invading them. Iraq never poised any threat to the US and they knew it.
Nasty business all 'round.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:

Secondly: It has been recorded that there have only ever been three steel structured buildings in the history of man to have allegedly collapsed due to fire, which are Trade Centers 1, 2 & 7. Can anyone tell me of others that I cannot find. And remember: I'm talking about steel structured buildings, not buildings that contain steel elements.

By the way, how does burning diesel weaken steel, anyway? So far it hasn't managed to melt my engine...

Falco.

It is not the case that the WTC buildings were the only steel buildings to collapse due to fire. In fact, there is video evidence of even smaller buildings collapsing due to fire and steel structural failure.

The reason your Delica engine does not melt and collapse is first of course, it has cooling. But second, and most importantly your deli engine does not have tons upon tons of building on top of it. Steel is very strong - until it begins to get hot - then it becomes malleable. This is in fact, how the parts for your engine are shaped - they are stamped and forged (or milled) by making the metal hot so that pressure can cause it to bend.

Now the steel in the building got hotter and hoter from the fire, and it began to bend, once it bent too far, it was no longer structurally sound and it failed.

You could heat up the frame of your Deli to a similar temp with burning diesel, then run your Deli into another vehicle in a low speed collision that should only cause a minor bit of damage. You could then see your frame warp from the impact forces on the hot steel. Through newtonian physics you could replicate the exact load if you wanted to, but it probabaly would not be required.

However, I don't recommend that you do this.

FalcoColumbarius wrote:

Mr. Flibble wrote:........I don't think that the war in Afganistan nor Iraq was justified, ......

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember why we (Canada) officially went into Afghanada? I know the answer to this, I heard it on the CBC, but I am curious as to how many people here remember "why"?

IIRC, I have not looked it up, but we were part of the Coalition of the Willing on Afganistan. We joined as part of the response team. I still remember the protests in the streets in Penticton when I lived there. I did not agree with Afganistan, but I at least understood the reason - for the western countries to stand together. Iraq had no reason that I could see apart from a massive conflict of intrest from within the White House. When you took the people together - excluding George W. who influenced Iraq it was due in most part to bad thinking and "groupthink" not enough differing opinions on the matter. Ironically, IIRC, George H. W. Bush was AGAINST the idea.

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Ok, shrapnel, debris, and dust travelled two city blocks, and lit tower 7 on fire, causing it to collapse perfectly down unto itself.

Mr F. I will give you credit for being a fine specimine of masculinity, NEVER admit to your mistakes, never second guess yourself, never do any sort of self reflection, never reconsider your initial instincts, and fight for your opinions until death weather your right or wrong, that is commendable.

Ask any woman, they will agree

solanoid wrote:....

Ok, shrapnel, debris, and dust travelled two city blocks, and lit tower 7 on fire, causing it to collapse perfectly down unto itself.

Mr F. I will give you credit for being a fine specimine of masculinity, NEVER admit to your mistakes, never second guess yourself, never do any sort of self reflection, never reconsider your initial instincts, and fight for your opinions until death weather your right or wrong, that is commendable.

Ask any woman, they will agree

And I would ask that you stop resorting to personal attacks on me when you disagree with my arguments.

I cite facts in each one of my statements, to which you do not respond. You only ridicule my arguments and me personally. Whereas I stick to the facts as they are and discuss only the facts.

I would ask that you stop using Ad hominem attacks as they lend no validity to your argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Listen Friend,

Honestly, I appologize if I have offended you. Please remain calm.
I fail to understand how you can aknowledge the facts layed out before you, agree with that there is deep rooted corruption within the system and in the same breath claim there are no conspiracies.

Furthermore, I dont recal any "facts" being cited by you in the last few posts. I was talking about h1n1 FACTS and you got onto the war and oil etc (changing the subject)

solanoid wrote:Listen Friend,

Honestly, I appologize if I have offended you. Please remain calm.
I fail to understand how you can aknowledge the facts layed out before you, agree with that there is deep rooted corruption within the system and in the same breath claim there are no conspiracies.

Furthermore, I dont recal any "facts" being cited by you in the last few posts. I was talking about h1n1 FACTS and you got onto the war and oil etc


(changing the subject)

You are citing supposed facts but no conclusions for me to debate. This is why I posted the Leprachaun post. You will notice that the things that I posted as a list of happenings are in fact facts. The conclusion I drew from those facts was fallacious. I did this to illustrate postdiction, which is what is often used in conspiracy theories. I do not agree with postdisction.

solanoid wrote: How could an intellegent fellow such as yourself fail to reconize these issues, are you on the payroll?

Here, you accuse me of not understanding the issues, and suggests I am on the "payroll". You seem to assume that I don't know the facts, and yet you don't even know my background or education.

You could at least ask which books I am reading at the current time, you might be suprised.

Mr. F.

You are an interesting fellow, with an extensive vocabulary.
However sometimes words are simply an ineffective means of communication, all of the books and discussions in world will not be able have us come to terms.

If you insist on continuing this debate I will oblige, but I dont see the point.

How about we change subjects entirely, are you interested at all in ancient mysteries?

I love researching various conundrums, how about you?

solanoid wrote:Mr. F.

You are an interesting fellow, with an extensive vocabulary.
However sometimes words are simply an ineffective means of communication, all of the books and discussions in world will not be able have us come to terms.

If you insist on continuing this debate I will oblige, but I dont see the point.

How about we change subjects entirely, are you interested at all in ancient mysteries?

I love researching various conundrums, how about you?

I research multiple things - one of my personal goals is to become a Polymath. Therefore, of late (as apart from my constant study of the sciences) I have been focusing on Seminary level College course material to study the ancient myths as found in the Bible. I am a fan of the Enûma Eliš and Gliglamesh.

Depending on how you see mysteries though, I guess it depends on your take. One of my favorites is the Parting of the Red Sea in the Old Testament. I like how people keep looking for evidence of this happening - but in a great irony it is based on a mistranslation of the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Septuigant. The original phrase "Yam Suph" or Sea of Reeds or Reed Sea, was translated into "Red Sea" and thus the mythology arose that Moses parted the Red Sea in the same manner as Elijah. Even though, that is not what the original texts said. They probably refered to the sea of reeds at the end of the Nile Delta.

If that is what you mean by ancient mysteries, then yes! I find this stuff fascinating. :)