Welcome to the "Last Word Café".

[solanoid]

Regarding the "hybrid beleif systems"

I dont consider the assimilation other cultures fascinating, its tragic. What happened in south america is nothing short of a genocide, their language, their scriptures, history, beleifs were all washed away.

Did you know that Adolf Hitler was a catholic? they dont teach that in school.

[konadog]

Regarding the "hybrid beleif systems"

I dont consider the assimilation other cultures fascinating, its tragic. What happened in south america is nothing short of a genocide, their language, their scriptures, history, beleifs were all washed away.

That's precisely what the Aztecs did to other peoples around them - and the Maya imploded all on their own by decimating their environment so the kings could have nice shiny white plaster on their temples and pyramids.

[solanoid]

Yes, (to the best of our knowledge)

and do we condone this , no. Also, when they faught, it was over land disputes, food, and rivalries that had been going on for eons. Their motive was not monitary greed.

[Mr. Flibble]

Mr Fibble - I have found ubuntu 10:10 to be surprisingly trouble free. I have been running it for a couple months now with no real problems. You do have to get under the hood now and again to tinker (like most delica owners like to do anyway), but overall, I'm pretty satisfied. The issue I am having, is that the analogues are not usually quite as good as their counterparts. Having said that, I've had good success running Windows applications under wine.

That is the thing though. I have no real need to switch to Ubuntu. I own an iMac, I own a gaming machine - which by default has to run Windows. I own a laptop with windows for work.

When I need security software, I use Backtrack 4. When I need to play Games? Windows. When I need to script in Bash? iMac or Linux.

Specifically selecting a given tool on what it is best for is how I do things.

The reason I don't run Wine is that if I want to run a windows app, I run a windows app (Or I use a VM).

I am not faulting you for using Ubuntu - I applaud you for your choice! I just feel that as someone who has been using Linux for about 15 years that zealotry towards an operating system is not the best option.

[glenn]

How about inspirational, then, instead of fascinating. I'm not commenting on the brutality of the occupying force, who went as far as building their churches on top of the temples they destroyed. Your absolutely right, this was tragic. What is fascinating/inspirational is the tenacity of a people who are able to covertly hold on to some their own beliefs, to this day, in the face of such oppression.

I suspect that you have already made your mind up about me, but really you do have me wrong. I thought you were offering an olive branch earlier, but alas your tone has changed very little since your "lets all be bros" post.

It's interesting, I absolutely never run into these kind of encounters in my analogue life. So much nuance, and nonverbal communication is lost in a digital forum. Perhaps I need to start using emoticons! If only I could figure out how to do it.

[solanoid]

Agreed Glenn,

I want you to know something about me,
I have ONE friend in my personal life for a reason, I aint too sociable. I dont judge anyone because I am too careless. I treat my friend & aquintances the same way I treat my enemies-(which I dont have either)

There is a Toaist saying...
I am good to he who is good to me, I am also good to he who is not

[konadog]

Yes, (to the best of our knowledge)

and do we condone this , no. Also, when they faught, it was over land disputes, food, and rivalries that had been going on for eons. Their motive was not monitary greed.

Fighting over food and land IS greed. Oh, and they also fought so they could capture people for sacrifice - Those elegant obsidian knives again...

[solanoid]

MONITARY greed I said,

Sure they killed each other brutaly, it was over for the victim in an instant. Look at what we were doing at that time, the most barbaric means of torture imaginable! a lifetime of suffering in dungeons and torture chambers, leaving people strung up outside for the animals to feed on while they were still alive until they were begging to die. Oh we were much better!

Which fate would you rather?

[Mr. Flibble]

MONITARY greed I said,

Sure they killed each other brutaly, it was over for the victim in an instant. Look at what we were doing at that time, the most barbaric means of torture imaginable! a lifetime of suffering in dungeons and torture chambers, leaving people strung up outside for the animals to feed on while they were still alive until they were begging to die. Oh we were much better!

Which fate would you rather?

Well, keep in mind that money is just a replacement for a system of barter, so monitary greed is just like greed over any other good. If the society in question does not have money, and only barter, then by that very nature they can't have monitary greed as they have not invented money yet.

[konadog]

We weren't around yet.
My point is that we are all the same and motivated by the same things, more or less. Land or power or money, it's all the same. People are people are people. The Pre-Columbian Americans were no better nor worse than anyone else. The Aztecs of the day would have understood old Cortes perfectly...

[solanoid]

NO,

Food and land are neccesities! plundering every peice of gold serves no purpose other than greed. A greed that will never be satisfied, still to this day.

[konadog]

Were hearts to cut out necessities too?
Greed is about accumulation and control of wealth - ie. food and necessities. The guy who controls the food supply calls the shots. It's all about power and control.
Egalitarian hunter gatherer peoples lived on just what they needed; as soon as we developed the means to store food we developed stratified societies - Kings, who owned everything, and commoners, whom the kings pushed around, and slaves, whom everyone pushed around. Same thing happened everywhere, anytime we came up with agriculture or quantities of stored food. Food became wealth and so became a means of power and control.

[solanoid]

Fair enough,
We both make valid points.

FYI- My first post in the last word cafe was Jan 12, page #16. Last week I noticed that the number of hits in the L.W.C. was 52xx now its at nearly 7000 hits on page 28.

There has been alot of onlookers, I hope we all learned something here.

[JR1967]

As of today only one year and eleven months to go. Keep this thread going until Dec 21st 2012!

[FalcoColumbarius]

Well.... what does George have to say about it:



Here is the complete hour long HBO production that this ten minute short comes from. Interesting the point of view being from 1999.
(Warning: Language & Content): You Are All Diseased