Winches

[jessef]

Hi all,

I just ordered a nice hydraulic winch from south of the border to put on my Deli when in comes in.

http://www.4wheelonline.com/Products.as ... tId=145528

I had a 9k mile marker hydro winch on my XJ and it's the best winch I've ever owned.

For those of you not familiar with mile marker and hydraulic winches, the company supplies the US Military with these hydro winches and they get their share of workload put on them. They are operated via hydraulic line from your power steering pump instead of sucking up massive amounts of juice from your batteries.

Two biggest positives that I've come to love on this little guy is the lack of amp draw (2 amps or so compared to 400ish + amps on a warn electric winch) so I don't have to upgrade the batteries and alternator.

Also it won't burn out when overloaded compared to the electrics.

Only drawback is the engine needs to be running , hydro fluid pumping through the pump to operate but even with the warn I had before (8274 . best elec workhorse), I needed to have the Jeep running to power the winch.

Anyone looking for a winch, I would highly recommend going with hydraulic over electric, especially since our alternators top out at a measly 70 A's.

For some reason winches are dirt cheap in the US compared to here and with the exchange rate, it makes sense to buy if you're saving 500+ bucks on a single winch.

You can buy a warn 12k winch for $730 shipped with the exchange rate. It's crazy.

http://www.4wheelonline.com/Products.as ... ctId=13781

And they are completely submersible too.

Jesse

[Erebus]

http://www.4wheelonline.com/Products.as ... tId=145528

4 wheel online made some goofs on the chart showing capacities (e.g., 10,500 feet per minute at low speed, when it actually is 5-6 fpm.)

The link to the manufacturer is this for the 10,500 lb winch. They also make a bigger and a smaller one.

The big advantage to an electric winch is you can put it on a drawbar and plug in into the back of the vehicle and retreat. I've used a comealong for years, and usually want to go back, not continue forward. But other than those concerns, I like the idea of a hydraulic winch.

Then there is the issue of what to attach the other end of the cable to. A Pullpal is one possibility.

[jessef]

I've used a comealong for years as well. The handiest things is the best places when you need it.

I'm going to grab a pullpal when I'm down in WA next time as I'll definitely need it down in the sand/beaches along the coast in the south.

Jesse

[Reinhold]

What size would be good for the Delica? I'm not going to sink the Delica up to the windows in muskeg but may need it on some of the roads in S. America. (always planning ).

[FalcoColumbarius]

You know what would be a cool winch? One like the Germans had in WWII. I was talking to Jay of the TardisDeli about winches and he brought this up. They had a horizontal spool system underneath the vehicle that could be fed in any direction. I think there would have to be some mods to the idea (like a double spool system so you would have a hook both fore and aft) ~ but to have something like that running on hydraulics I think would be way cool.

Falco.

[Erebus]

They had a horizontal spool system underneath the vehicle that could be fed in any direction. I think there would have to be some mods to the idea (like a double spool system so you would have a hook both fore and aft) ~ but to have something like that running on hydraulics I think would be way cool.

I do believe some of the current Unimog and Volvo truck have this. The only problem I see with it is if you bury the truck, you can't get the cable out to the direction you want, unless you plan ahead!

Link to one Volvo

[FalcoColumbarius]

They had a horizontal spool system underneath the vehicle that could be fed in any direction. I think there would have to be some mods to the idea (like a double spool system so you would have a hook both fore and aft) ~ but to have something like that running on hydraulics I think would be way cool.

I do believe some of the current Unimog and Volvo truck have this. The only problem I see with it is if you bury the truck, you can't get the cable out to the direction you want, unless you plan ahead!

Link to one Volvo

That's why you have a double spool system with hooks running both fore and aft. When you get stuck in a bog the hooks are already available from the spools, at both front & rear, depending on whether you want to retreat or need a little help blazing onward and upward.

Falco.

[patty]

did you ever get the time to put on the winch?

[jessef]

Nope.

No time

Hopefully this spring I can fab up a real bush bar for the Delica and mount a winch on it.

The stock Delica 'bull bar' is very soft and bends easily.

[delicat]

Makes two of us...

I have a Warn 8274 sitting in my garage waiting for my fat ass to get in gear and build a new front bumper. It's much easier said than done.

But not having time to go ahead with the project is sometimes a good thing, gives you more time to change your mind on the design!
At first I wanted to incorporate the winch into the bumper but now...

I think I'll bring electrical plugs-in for the winch both at the front and back and build a winch plate that can be mounted on my hitch at the back or onto the new front bumper.

This way I don't have to drag this heavy winch around when not needed, less chance to get it stolen as well...

So many projects, so little time!

[jessef]

Makes two of us...

I have a Warn 8274 sitting in my garage waiting for my fat ass to get in gear and build a new front bumper. It's much easier said than done.

But not having time to go ahead with the project is sometimes a good thing, gives you more time to change your mind on the design!
At first I wanted to incorporate the winch into the bumper but now...

I think I'll bring electrical plugs-in for the winch both at the front and back and build a winch plate that can be mounted on my hitch at the back or onto the new front bumper.

This way I don't have to drag this heavy winch around when not needed, less chance to get it stolen as well...

So many projects, so little time!

That was my initial plan too. Design/use a carrier to have it mount front/rear but after I tried out my buddy's warn/tray mount carrier, hauling 120 lbs won't happen in most winching cases.

He had to add more reinforcing to the plate/mount because it's removable so it actually added more weight up front.

He said it would work for a small vehicle with a 6-8k winch so long as the force of winch doesn't exceed the pin bolt on the mounting plate.

I have yet to use a winch on the rear when we go wheeling. I've only used once when my buddy (in front) had to pull me up and over a rock face that I couldn't get up.

In a perfect world, I'd have the 9-12k up front and a 8.5k built into the rear.

I've already got the winch and the synthetic line. Just need time to fab up the bar. Most likely it will be 2 pc lower/upper and I'll remove the bottom two corner body panel and integrate some armor in there.

[Delicanadabc]

Hello
Even if the images of the Volvo makes me a bit home sick I will make the claim that I feel that the best winch is the Tirfor/Griphoist as mentioned above. It has a few drawbacks: you actually have to work it, take more time to rig. Most likely it will take up some interior space but not much and the cable can be stored with the spare.

I am stoked for you who have the winches and obviously you know what you are getting in to. This is more a heads up to a "low tech non welding approach".

How ever, it can be used in all possible directions and you don't have to make any mounts/ wiring. it can work with a broken down truck as well as remove obstacles not reachable from the truck. It is a slow and controlled way of moving loads, as long as you follow common sense and the load rating. I have 4 or 5 different sizes of these and have been using them for years. My main application is landscaping but I have pull all sorts of cars and truck too. They are available new at most chain/cable outlets and I know where to get certified used once in the lower mainland.

http://www.hkfsd.gov.hk/home/images/equ ... irfor.html

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6sfwf_tirfor_auto

[jessef]

I use a comealong and usually 2 to 4 snatch blocks, pulleys and a 50 ft synth line.

With that system, I can pull 2x the Delica weight by hand backwards, side (in case of tip over sideways) and front.

If anyone here climbs, they'll know what I'm talking about.

Even without a comealong/winch, you can manually rig up a snatch block/pulley system with enough line to extract a full sized vehicle by hand/foot. Would just take a long time, lots of rope and walking, but it's been done. Usually out in the bush where there are no trees, etc.. to pull from.

Also I won't use cable wire anymore on anything. Synthetic is much better, stronger, easier to handle, lighter, safer and does not store nearly as much energy as cable wire.

My setup used to be : 100 feet of cable wire from my winch and 50 feet of extra cable wire (totals 40 lbs)
Now setup is : 120 feet of synth line from my winch and 50 feet of extra synth line (totals 8 lbs)

32 lbs difference

[Erebus]

I use a comealong and usually 2 to 4 snatch blocks, pulleys and a 50 ft synth line.

I too have a comealong. I've been using various chunks of rope, and would like change to something better. Care to share some specifics about the synthetic lines: brand names, prices, places to buy, etc.?

[patty]

http://www.warn.com/truck/accessories/s ... rope.shtml