Now selling BIO DIESEL processors

[EnviroImports.com]

Hey everyone , I thougth i would let you all know we are now selling BIO DIESEL processors, so you still use wvo , still recycling , but no need to add a second tank, and you just need to replace some fuel lines with synthetic. a much easier job than fitting a whole system into your vehicle.
we have them from 20,40,80,160....gallon processors up to over 1000gallon for CO-OP's
Take a look

http://www.enviroimports.com

[Jester]

what's the price for the system?
I don't see any info on the site.
thanks
Martin


oop, never mind
Found it.
http://www.ezbiodiesel.com/Small_processor_prices.htm

[JMK]

$2,800.00 for the 40 gal Ezbiodiesel system.


$1,600.00 for a 40 gal unit on eBay.


With the exception of the foil jacket around the top one, they look almost identical. Wonder how they are different?

On the eBay site they say:

Watch out for:

- An abundance of pvc pipe

- Motors that are not self priming. will never suck all the liquid out, leaving catalyst sitting in the tanks

- Tubing going everywhich way will not allow for proper draining.

- Are the tanks full draining?

- Mixing methanol and lye with blue pumps is NOT recomended

- Are there wash timers and pump timers for added safety?

- Does the system look clean and easy to use?

- Is the system 100% Assembled?

[loki]

no need to add a second tank,

just to clarify, not all WVO systems require a second tank, for ease of use that is the system I'm going with, as for making my own BioDiesel I would rather spend about the same or less than a mini biodiesel plant and not have to continuously by the chemicals to turn the WVO that I could be useing in a WVO system in my tank, also I would think that it would be much harder to take this on the road and get WVO and make the fuel. Anyways, I'm running on a bit here.

[EnviroImports.com]

Just to Clarify, the second tank i was refering to was the second FUEL tank mounted on your vehicle for wvo only systems as required for running wvo in our part of the world.

[loki]

Just to Clarify, the second tank i was refering to was the second FUEL tank mounted on your vehicle for wvo only systems as required for running wvo in our part of the world.

That is not required for all systems.

[EnviroImports.com]

well now you have me curious, how are you running a single fuel tank for your delica and wvo? what are you doing to heat the injection pump and not blow all the seals in it since our weather is to cold to keep the wvo up to temp?
or are you just talking about other vehicles with the piston style injection pump?
I know there are vehicles runing wvo on a single tank, but not our older delicas, unless you have found away around that. if you have share with the class. I would really like to know about it.

[loki]

http://www.elsbett.com/us/elsbett-conve ... -vans.html

[EnviroImports.com]

"However, some engines are unsuitable due to the limitations of their distribution-injection pump, particularly on traditional direct-injection engines"


so yes its available just not for our vehicles and not for most vehicles here, some old benz are able to run it straight, but other than that its a very limited field and doesent apply to our delicas,
I wonder if anyone will tackle the job of swaping in a new style injection pump, that would be a thread I would like to see, I know I wouldent want to pay to have everything modified, but it would still be interesting
Noel

[Jester]

Looks like it's $2400 for a DIY 40gal kit.
And it comes with more stuff, which the ebay guy has as extra cost options. scale, titration kit etc.
IF the above price is for a system we can pick up from Enviro with no shippong charge or any other hidden costs, it actually looks like a decent deal...

$2,800.00 for the 40 gal Ezbiodiesel system.


$1,600.00 for a 40 gal unit on eBay.


With the exception of the foil jacket around the top one, they look almost identical. Wonder how they are different?

On the eBay site they say:

Watch out for:

- An abundance of pvc pipe

- Motors that are not self priming. will never suck all the liquid out, leaving catalyst sitting in the tanks

- Tubing going everywhich way will not allow for proper draining.

- Are the tanks full draining?

- Mixing methanol and lye with blue pumps is NOT recomended

- Are there wash timers and pump timers for added safety?

- Does the system look clean and easy to use?

- Is the system 100% Assembled?

[JMK]

Hi Jester,

I must be looking at a different page, the one I found clearly said $2, 800.00. Maybe they dropped the price since I posted yesterday?

And it comes with more stuff

Both of them require the extras, you don't get the following with the EZ Kit either:
- Barrel Heater ($200.00)
- fuel dispensing pump ($45.00)
- they have a list of the other items you need here.

I'm no math whiz, but it looks to me like there is still a sizeable difference in price for the same thing.

Good you spelt the 'IF' with caps because it is indeed a big IF. The link I followed via Environimports says you pay up to $650.00 for shipping, nothing about free shipping:

Shipping Prices: (your zone is the # of transit days. Shipping is billed separately for online purchases). Find your Zone HERE

Zone 1= $250.00

Zone 2= $350.00

Zone 3= $400.00

Zone 4= $450.00

Zone 5= $550.00

Zone 6= $650.00

Shipping to a residence requires a lift gate and is $100.00 extra. To save on that fee, you can request that we hold the shipment at the terminal nearest you, and you can pick it up there. That way shipping incurs no extra charges like the residential delivery does.

Looks like a little more homework would not be amiss, as also would some clarification from Enviro Imports to help us sort through it all.

[Jester]

Hi JMK
This is where Noel will have to fill in the blanks.
I assumed that as a distributor he has the systems in stock,or can order them for you, therefor no shipping. Noel, am I thinking correctly?

as for the final cost, not sure but personally I'm willing to shell out a couple hundred extra for something locally available, which will make any exchanges, troubleshooting, warranty issues and after purchase support that much easier.
Martin


*edit*
JMK the $2400 is for DIY kit, which means you get all the components, and assemble it yourself.
Good option for paranoids like myself, since if I got the system fully assembled, I'd probably end up taking it apart and re-fitting, re-tightening everything anyways lol

[loki]

"However, some engines are unsuitable due to the limitations of their distribution-injection pump, particularly on traditional direct-injection engines"


so yes its available just not for our vehicles and not for most vehicles here, some old benz are able to run it straight, but other than that its a very limited field and doesent apply to our delicas,
I wonder if anyone will tackle the job of swaping in a new style injection pump, that would be a thread I would like to see, I know I wouldent want to pay to have everything modified, but it would still be interesting
Noel

I wasn't trying to and still am not trying to hurt your business or anything, just trying to get the right info out there. The kit for the Delica is a single tank system. If you go to the online shop and select the delica the single tank system is the only one available.

So YES the Single tank system is avaliable for the Delica

Converting cars with the ELSBETT 1-tank system
With this system, there is no additional tank; all the fuel is held in the original tank of the vehicle. This solution relies on the adaptation of the injection process to the injection characteristics of vegetable oil, so typically, the glow-plugs, injectors, and injector mounts are modified

With this system, you can drive entirely without diesel, except in the winter months, when a certain amount of winterdiesel should be added to the vegetable oil in the tank to keep it flowing freely.

As with the 2-tank system, you can still run on straight diesel, or in any mix of diesel and vegetable oil.

The ELSBETT 1-tank system can be fitted on pre-chamber diesels of most makes, as well as on traditional TDI engines from the Volkswagen group (AUDI, SEAT, Skoda, Volkswagen and some Ford and VOLVO as well as 1.9 dTi motors from Renault).

The typical 1-tank conversion kit would contain the following parts (subject to change):

injector components glow-plugs additional fuel filter sometimes additional fuel pump coolant-water heat exchanger to pre-warm fuel electrical fuel heater/filter temperature switch cut-off valve Relays and sockets fuel and water pipes fuel hand pump cabling fitting instructions User instructions If an auxiliary heating system or night-heater is desired, then a small secondary tank should be fitted for diesel, as these heaters do not run on vegetable oil.

[JMK]

Jester,

If you like doing it yourself, then instead of spending $2,400.00 on a DIY you'd might prefer to spend $425.00 for the apparently famed Appleseed Kit (don't worry about the water heater, I'll give you an old one).



I did a search of this forum to see if there is any feedback on it but didn't find anything. There are a number of reviews and other info on Goggle however.

Just one example I found, probably lots more, but the website was much easier to follow and helpful than the dog's breakfast that comprises the EZBiodiesel website (I often wonder when someone can't engineer a decent website do you want to test their other engineering efforts).

Also of interest, I see that EZbiodiesel sells the same kit noted above that was $2,800.00 for $2,495.00 from their eBay store. While their pricing may be inconsistent and their website a mess, I will say they have 100% feedback on their store, which is a good thing.

Edit: Well in the interest of fairness, I just heard from someone involved in the Biodiesel industry (wasn't Noel either) that Guy Purcella at EZ Biodiesel is very highly regarded. So there you go, he may have a crap website and be all over the map with his prices, but I guess you can't fault him or his products, apparently they are about as good as you can get in the industry. Still like the price on the Appleseed DIY project though.

[psilosin]

As an aside I'm actually surprised people are selling these in ready to run format. I would think there would be HUGE potential for lawsuits to the seller when the grade8 dropout that bought the kit kills themself from methanol or lye poisoning or simply burns their house down.

Being that there is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe...if this gets more popular (which it has been) its only a matter of time until you start hearing of deaths as a result of making fuel at home.