Movie -What's this other little oil filter gasket? Keep it?

[snelson]

Hey guys, changing my oil tonight in prep for a long drive to Prince George on Sunday - yahhh what a crazy Friday night!
In the process of removing the old oil filter I found this little 'gasket' inside the existing oil filter.
Do I keep this and use it on the FRAM one I'm about to install? Or do you think it's just for the no-name brand filter that was on the Deli????

Here a clip of what I found, and the new filter.....
Steve

[jessef]

Use the new one.

Being relatively new to Delica's and Pajero's but growing up with diesel's, in my experience, I've found FRAM filters to be garbage (putting it politely) and usually 1/2-2/3 the size of standard diesel filters they are cross-referenced for.

Easy way to test is drive 2,000 km on one filter, change oil/filter and switch to a new one. Take the old one, slice it in half and take pictures of the contents and keep some of the oil in a container. Do the same for the next 4-5 oil changes.

Take the oil samples to a diesel (peterbuilt as an example) repair center and pay them to run contamination/viscosity/etc... tests on it.

Or you can save yourself the year-long samples/testing and take my word for it.

If not, then walk into a diesel rig shop and simply ask. You'll get the same response.

You'll be surprised that there is a considerable difference between different filters (companies). A big difference.

If you need to replace it, do it with what you have.

I'd recommend to swap out that FRAM and put in a Baldwin (best), Wix/Napa/K&N (moderate), Fram/no-name (bad).

These are what I've been using in a Dodge D50 (friend's dad bought it new) for over 20 years. (SAME ENGINE AS DELICA).

Baldwin Oil Filter - BD28
Donaldson Oil Filter - P551343

673,000 km's and still going strong.

Type of oil / filter & change intervals are strong factors in your diesel engine lifespan.

Don't mean to scare you, but everytime I see a Fram or like filter on a diesel engine, I cringe.

[ccautos]

I have never seen a rubber seal come out of an old oil filter like that . I would suggest not using that seal in the new filter as it does not require it to be installed . I have used many different filters and have never needed to switch a seal .


Fram is a `sufficient` filter for most vehicles . I use fram on my own Delica without any problems but I do change my oil every three thousand kilometres . I always recommend to cutomers if you are going to change your oil often use regular oil and cheap filter . If you are going to try and extend the oil change interval then it is worth paying more for the synthetic oils and quality filters . Fram make oil filters to the manufacturers specifications so they filter exactly what the manufacturer is stating for minimum filtration but there a lot of better filters out there that give more filtration but normally more expensive . If Frams filters were that bad would they still be the largest manufacturer of filters in the world ?? Would they still be making filters for most car manufacturers ?? I actually use genuine Mitsubishi oil filters in the shop because that is what was supplied from the factory and then nobody can comment on different brands being used and questioning their quality .

[sahdot]

Glen-
If Fram manufactures to automaker standards, does this mean it is as good as the genuine mitsu one? Just asking because I was planning on pushing my Lubrico mandated 5000 km oil changes to their wiggle room 6000km on an upcoming road trip (pushed my last change to 4 mo instead of 3 (as per Lubrico's mandate) after only a couple thousand km. If it's not as good as some of the other higher end filters, maybe I should do the change sooner? I'm packing mitsu filters on what could be an 8000km trip.

-jim

[jessef]

If Frams filters were that bad would they still be the largest manufacturer of filters in the world ?? Would they still be making filters for most car manufacturers ?? I actually use genuine Mitsubishi oil filters in the shop because that is what was supplied from the factory and then nobody can comment on different brands being used and questioning their quality .

Fram makes good filters for petrol engines.

As for the diesel counterpart.

If you cut a PH6355 fram apart, it's similar to glued card board and the bypass spring is just a piece of bent small steel.

When I was a teenager growing up with diesel's (farm) I listened to my friend's uncle who is a diesel filtration specialist and has worked for Racor and Donaldson and heeded his advice on what to get for which application and how to test them (filters).

We did tests (like I said above) long before the L300 Delica even came into production.

I stand behind my statement about Fram's quality for these specific filters (4D55 & 4D56 delica/pajero).

It's not going to kill your engine because there are more factors to engine lifespan. But there are much better alternatives (genuine mitsu/baldwin,etc..) that are better for the engine. Two filters of equal value, one has much better filtration components and the other has lower quality internals. Why would you choose the inferior one ? Makes no sense to me unless there are no other alternatives in your area.

I agree with you Glen.

Frequent oil changes are healthy for diesel engine longevity.

[ccautos]

Hey Jim , I would recommend taking a genuine Mitsubishi filter along with you for your trip if you are going to push the interval up to 6000km . We only sell Genuine filters and thats what went on your van last service . I will only recommend using Fram if keeping the service interval short . Thanks , Glen

[sahdot]

Thanks for the info, Glen. Two genuine Mitsubishi filters are what I'm taking with me - just didn't want to push them too far if they were only as good as the Fram - sounds like they're better. Will probably be at a convenient place to get the service done at between 5-6,000km.

-jim