North American Equivalent Parts, Glowplugs, Oil Filters Etc.

[miked]

hey there.

Just bought my first delica and loving it. Very excited to see how it toughs out these Toronto winters.

I have been having a hard time starting the Deli on the colder mornings, and I am 100% sure its the glow plugs. I am getting power, and everything seems to be fine, however the plugs appear to be burnt out and have expired I would say.

Does anyone know of a north american glow plug that can be bought and used in these vans? Or do we have to go through a third party like Mardy or Japanoid??? Its a 1992 Starwagon, P35W engine.

Also, i am sure there will be other issues down the road of trying to have North American parts fit, so the heads up would be great. I already found the K and N oil filter that fits!

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mike

[FalcoColumbarius]

For one, it is a 4D56T engine (P35 is the body type). Secondly, type "glow plugs" or "glowplugs" into the site's search engine and you will find a number of threads on this topic. I think you will find that there are a number of glow plugs available in the North American market that will fit these engines.

I hope this helps .

Falco.

[JMK]

Spend some time getting to know the site. The Wiki is a good place to start:

http://wikrad.com/delica/index.cgi?engine_electrical

[delicat]

Nice to see the joy spreading further East! Welcome to the club!

David

[miked]

hey there. thank you for all of the replies, much appreciated.

I have been scouring the site to try and find part numbers etc. for the glow plugs, but cant seem to find anything that will help me. I have found a few numbers, but cant find a matching part from any auto supplier or glow plug manufacturer. Ideally I would like to get something from BOSCH or another supplier here in Toronto, to avoid shipping, but maybe I just have to order them from BC???

Thanks again.

-MD

[Profister]

Here is a couple of links to start with:
http://www.delica.ca/forum/hard-cold-st ... -3653.html
http://www.consciouslab.com/delica_parts.htm

[JMK]

NAPA had no problem getting me NGK's.

[DelicaMark]

Before you go ahead and spend a bunch on glow plugs make sure that is actually what the problem is. I have a similar hard-to-start-when-cold problem and it was not fixed by changing the glow plugs. I even wired in a temporary switch that bypassed the glow plug controller (ECU) and it still had the same issues starting. It is going into the shop this week to see if the issue can be sorted out. I thought for sure that it was the glow plugs but it wasn't and they will run you around $200. For the record I used the NGK ones suggested above.

-Mark

[Erebus]

Getting the glowplugs from any Mitsubishi dealer is no problem. Been there, done that. Part number MD092392, you need 4, the price is about $140 for a set. Several people whose opinions I trust have recommended staying away from the NGK or any aftermarket ones, and stick with the stock ones. (That is assuming you have stock ECU, and that it is a pre-1994 Delica you have.)

I won't comment on the part of the discussion of whether you actually need glow plugs or not.

I'll also avoid making snide remarks about "Toronto winters". I've lived in the area, there are no winters in Toronto. Unless you live outside the city. Oh, I guess I did make snide remarks after all.

[JMK]

I was having the same thoughts about the GLow Plugs as the culprits for your hard start.

To begin with, you should test your plugs, I believe there are instructions all over the net on the procedure to do so, and all you need is a multimeter to do it.

Next you need to make sure your ECU works properly, again, lots on the ECU on this forum already.

One of the things I learned from this forum was that the stock glow plugs are 6 Volt. If you hook up a manual switch to bypass the faulty ECU, be aware you are feeding 12V to a 6V device and act accordingly. I set up a manual switch to my new NGK plugs while my ECU was being rebuilt, and I now need to test them again to see if I fried any of them while I was doing so. I know Wayne at Luxury Imports was a big fan of abandoning the ECU forever and just using a manual switch, now that I know much more about the ECU and its functions, I'm not so sure about that. When I used the manual switch, I limited the time to 8 seconds constant or less as much as possible, then machine gunned it after that.

I actually bought the NGK's because the participants of the Mitsubishi forum seemed to think highly of them. I believe they are the most expensive of the lot, I think they cost me something like $68.00 each at trade pricing. If the stock ones were easily available I would have been content with those, but NAPA was easier in my neck of the woods.

Once you vehicle does start, then you can attack the black smoke problem and associated hard starting woes by going after your injectors, injector pump, timing, valve clearances and maybe EGR!

[miked]

again, thank you all for the reply's very helpful.

I actually ran some tests today, and realized that indeed the plugs were not getting any power from the ECU. I then ran a manual switch from the battery right to the plugs, which worked like a jem. I am a bit concerned however about the volts going to the glow system, as I think 12 is a bit much. Wondering if maybe there is a device to throw in the wireing loop to step it down to 8V or 6V????? Also, i think you defiantly need a 20amp switch to handle the power coming from the battery.

Nonetheless, it started after about three seconds of letting the plugs warm up, no black smoke either. Now I can start my Deli without passers by staring at the puff of smoke coming out of its rear.

I am certainly pleased that I did not need new plugs, not yet at least. Hopefully the 12V feed wont fry them to fast. I plan on using the switch sparingly.

And ya, the Toronto Winters the past few years have been a bit of a joke, so I may be in the clear. However I look forward to bringing it to Northern Ontario when visiting the cottage.

Thanks again, and let me know if you have any more tips!
MD