The adventure continues.... fuel leaking around the IP

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The adventure continues.... fuel leaking around the IP

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well i discovered a small little pool of diesel under the van this morning. :-( and at closer inspection it is coming from the IP. Not sure where exactly but it is a pretty good drip when it is idling.

What is the next step? I have read some of the posts and i don't like what i am reading and will continue to grimace as I read thru more. I have not noticed anything significant with power or starting, however i am guessing that may change with time.

I was planning to get back up to BC by months end. i imagine this can't wait and i don't enjoy the idea of leaving a trail of fuel all the way back from SF. ugh!

Any suggestions?

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hi dewy... i miss mexico...

i know of 2 delicas for sure that ran WVO and fixed their IP leak. the WVO swelled the seals. one was my neighbours, it came from japan with a steady stream of diesel at idle. she ran a couple of tanks of 50/50 diesel/wvo and a year later still has no leaking issue!
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Neil

Try engine oil stop leak. It has seal softener in it. When added to engine oil, it works by softening hardened seals in engines so that they seal again.

Add a can to a full tank of diesel when needed and put it in before filling up so it gets mixed into the fuel well.

Automatic transmission seal softener can work as well.
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hi guys...

so after reading all the threads i could till i could not keep my eyes open. this thread was helpful;
http://www.delica.ca/forum/injector-pum ... el+leaking

and this guy Bob talks about puttin in the engine oil leak like you mention Jessie and i have gone an bought a 16 oz can. But it makes me a little nervous and putting in the whole thing and i have asked the odd mechanic dude about this and they shake their heads? But i will be goin ahead with that in a few hours; unless anyone has any big objections.

And unless this does not work. Does anyone know if the seals for the pump, particularly the top main, come in generic form, as i am faced with my common challenge of finding parts in the US.

cheers,

PS i am missing the warmth of Mexico too - as Mark Twain once said - "the coldest winter i ever had was the summer i spent in San Francisco"
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dump the whole can in. it's a good lubricant = good for diesels & IP
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Hi Dewy, combine both those suggestions. Once you have have emptied the fuel tank per Jessie jfarsang, then do WVO per After Oil (a respected member of our cult), but do NOT mix the additive in with the oil just in case they react. Don't risk a stranger's filtered WVO, just buy a new 4 gallon (18 litre) cube style jug of oil (PURE canola only) from a cash n carry restaurant supply shop or costco etc). New canola is more expensive than WVO, but is risk free pure, and will lube the rubber.

In USA they premix diesel with corn blends such as ethanol, to reduce dependency on terrorist oil, and support USA farms. Corn blends are alcohol, alcohol strips rubber of its oil, so dries up and shrinks and make little pinholes in rubber including fuel lines. Mr Rudolf Diesel invented his engine to run on peanut oil, not alcohol.

Motto: Don't let your Delica Drink and Drive, alcohol is for the driver not the Delica.

I just pour it in my normal fuel filler with a flexible funnel (no you don't need any extra mechanical crap, no separate tank or filter, nothing). Doesnt matter whether you put the oil in first or diesel first, as it mixes while driving. WVO makes my deli very peppy, have run mixed for more than a year.

Ratios: Guesstimate the amount, look at your fuel guage, it says half full now of diesel, and if your usual fill from empty is 60 litres, so you know you could put in 15 litres of oil and also after top up diesel to full tank. The ultrasafe ratio is 1/4 oil to 3/4 diesel, note that up to 1/3 oil is recommended safe limit according to Delicat. But I often run half n half in hot summer weather.

If running half n half: ensure you won't be parking overnight in wind chill or cold areas ie high altitudes, some of the highway passes go quite high and temperature drops with elevation, if in doubt just dont shut off the engine all night while you sleep but ensure you have a full tank before hand so you dont run out of fuel and have to prime the system). The only concern with WVO is starting, if the injectors dont have enuf diesel to start, so that's why I care about night time and parking temperature; you can stop for a few minutes in very cold weather with high oil ratio, as long as the engine doesnt have time to cool down. The oil does lube all the fuel system and gaskets, and reliable delica mechanics have agreed with my system.

Good Luck, Christine.

PS: Don't get your IP rebuilt by a non-expert, there is a small part which is easily installed backwards thus causes grief later. Your 2 experts to trust by phone and this website are glen at ccautos (his website id) and butch of cvi at mitsubc (his website id) either of whom could mail you the kit or a rebuilt IP which you can just get a good diesel mechanic to swap in.
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New canola is more expensive than WVO, but is risk free pure, and will lube the rubber.
That is some pretty good advice if you wanna go the WVO route.
I never thought about using it to help the seals,cool.

Are you still down in Frisco area? I would think you could find some
good WVO you can trustthere if you poke around.

If you research it a little I can't see why you would not be able
to find a good IP shop to help you out.(cash permitting)
The Dodge D-50 (Ram 50 it was called too) has a model
with the 4d56 (deli) motor. I am not positive about the IP match
but a good IP shop should have no problem. Ask around get a good
referal,maybe from some southern greasers....

Right on!8-)
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or have amazing auto/rockymountain/cc auto ship you the seal kit and have a vw or diesel mechanic install them.

If it's just seeping out, I'd go the stop leak/lubrication deal for two tanks at least.
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wow great advice ... thank you

so i currently just filled the tank with the additive and will do next fill with the 15 litres of veggie oil.
And will let you all know the progress.

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I agree that veg can swell and seal the pump seals in some cases.

I have had two cases where the pumps on vehicles seemed to be beyond hope and leaking fairly badly, and were left alone and run on vegoil for a period of a few months, and gradually the leaks became so minor as to not require any further action. So I now advise that if anyone has a pump leak, unless it is really bad, to try this and wait a while. Yes, you might have to put a pan or some plywood under it on the nice driveway or parking spot if you have that, and you will likely have to clean off the back of your van now and then, but IMHO it's worth a try - be patient, give it some time.

Another interesting related tidbit...vegoil (even Canola) does polymerize and form a plastic film over time when exposed to air. So, if it is seeping out a seal, it may be not only swelling a seal, but also helping build its own film/gasket over time.

I found it very interesting when I recently read the label of a tube of gasket maker I purchased, the type that is very resistant to oil. I was surprised to read that the main ingredient in that brand-name product (I think it was either a Loctite or a Permatex) was vegetable oil!
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Well I made it across the border back to Canada a few weeks the day before i needed to renew my insurance I had for one year since buying . What a trip.

So the fuel pump was pretty much sealed up after the using the engine oil stop leak for the first tank $3.74 US and a gallon of veggie oil from the grocery $13.00 to a quarter tank. And for good measure filled up with biodisel before making the trek up Hwy 5 in Nor Cal. I like those inexpensive, less labour intensive repair jobs.

thank you once again to this community !!!!! :-D

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welcome home!! now that all your delica problems are solved, you should go on a vacation road trip!
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Dewy,

Glad to hear you made it back home in 1 piece !!! We should have a mini meet

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thank you.

would love to do the mini meet, i just missed CC Autos with Glenn, Graham & Joe (key players in my adventure with yourself included GC) as i did not mark it on the calender.

I will be in Van as of tomorrow for the next week and a bit to do some painting, then possibly up to Kelowna to visit some close friends who i have not seen in a year's time. Dewy needs a check up though, may stop by to meet Marty before pushing up over the mountains on that adventure. there are some funky noises coming from the front right tire, u-joint i suspect. those come cheap right? :-D had them replaced on a Jeep I once had a couple times.

i am not always connected to the internet so send me a PM if you are in these areas. that goes for anyone, especially if you would like to invite me and hopefully Matti too, my mexican perro, for a warm meal and a parking spot to crash at in exchange for some stories of my adventures.

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HI Neil-Dewy and Perro,

Glad you made it home, glad all our advice helped, isnt this cult forum wonderful.

You are welcome to visit us, stay for several days. We have a guest room, or you can sleep in your deli in the backyard if you need the familiar squished surroundings. Or you can sleep in our boat in the backyard for a change of pace. We are away this weekend, back sunday evening. If you're in the area Friday daytime please stop by to say hi, have a shower & relax, we're just off Cariboo freeway exit in Burnaby. Sending you a PM.

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