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[Artacoma]

That is not the case. Everything that the news says about this event is a farce. Here is some REAL NEWS, take it or leave it.

This site contains EVERYTHING you must know about 9/11, You will NEVER see this info on tv!

Oh man I thought some of the convos in this folder were funny but yer 800 lb Gorrilla takes the prize ,
Why won't I see it on TV ? Is it true?

Why isn't this on TV - Panicked, Sweat-Covered Pope Reverses Longstanding Ban On Abortion
http://www.theonion.com

[solanoid]

That is not the case. Everything that the news says about this event is a farce. Here is some REAL NEWS, take it or leave it.

This site contains EVERYTHING you must know about 9/11, You will NEVER see this info on tv!

Oh man I thought some of the convos in this folder were funny but yer 800 lb Gorrilla takes the prize ,
Why won't I see it on TV ? Is it true?

Yuk it up buddy, along with the rest of the "informed" and "educated" people. If you had taken the time to research the facts surrounding 9/11 (as oulined in 800 pouund gorilla) you would not be asking "is it true?"

You have obviously made your mind up already, based upon the material that you have absorbed throughout your life. Go ahead, read your news paper, watch your tv, beleive the gov, never ask questions, and dont step out of line; cause if you do....you are a "conspiracy nut" that has no merit to your arguments.

[FalcoColumbarius]

On a side note.... I just wanted to ask if anyone else still finds September 11 really disturbing? I can still remember exactly what I was doing and where I was when I first heard about it. Crazy how one day changed so much. Respect.

Craig

I find it very disturbing that the general populace can consider, even for a moment, that a 100* tonne 757, standing at 44'; 155' long and 124' wingspan with two huge 37,400 lb Rolls Royce engines can fly through a forest of lamp standards without touching one and then fit into a 16' hole.

I find it very disturbing that the general populace can consider that burning modified diesel 1 fuel (260-315 °C) could cause a steel structure to collapse when steel will maintain it's integrity to 538°C (melting point 1510°C), causing three buildings to implode and leaving the core columns integrity fatiguing at 45° angles at 56' lengths.

Incidentally, historically speaking, there have only ever been three steel framed structures in history that have collapsed due to fire: Building One; Building Two; Building Seven.

I find it very disturbing that the general populace would consider that a 100* tonne 757, in a downward plummet, would leave a hole in the ground only 30' long; 20' wide; 15' deep.

By the way, in 2003 I was riding in an American Airways aeroplane at a cruising altitude of 30,000+ feet, I had zero cellphone reception. This happens because a/ at commercial airline cruising altitudes cellular towers are out of range, b/ the antennas on a cell tower are oriented for reception on the Earth's surface, not in the heavens.

I find it very disturbing that there is such a commercial gain being made on the names and bones of of all those who died on that wicked day.




On 11 September, 2001 I was working on a film shoot in Delta for a Ford television advertisement slated for the Super Bowl that year. The premise being a "Ford built tough" pick-up truck pulling down an old water tower.

I had gotten up earlier that morning because the catering trucks had these really good breakfast wraps that were to die for. I was listening to the CBC morning business report out of New York when the transmission went dead. The CBC announcer reported that they were experiencing some difficulty and would resolve the problem momentarily and music came on. In less than a minute he was back and reported that there had been a terrible accident: An airliner had flown into on of the twin towers. Then he went onto to say something that I assumed he saw on a video feed of some sort: "Wow, it looks just like in a movie".

Falco.

P.S.: (*I originally wrote 100,000 tonnes but have now corrected my blunder.)

[Artacoma]

I work as a construction supervisor and have been a carpenter for 25 yrs. When I use structural steel in a building I have to go to far greater lengths to protect it from fire than I do with structural wood because steel under load simply fails faster than wood in a fire.
Check any building code book.

[FalcoColumbarius]

This fire burned for several hours.

[psilosin]

I find it very disturbing that the general populace can consider, even for a moment, that a 100,000 tonne 757, standing at 44'; 155' long and 124' wingspan with two huge 37,400 lb Rolls Royce engines can fly through a forest of lamp standards without touching one and then fit into a 16' hole.

Lol @ 100,000 tonne 757. Fail.

Lol @ Lamp Standards (street lights) the height of the twin towers. The jets were not 20 feet off the ground, there was no weaving through street lamps on the way to their target.

This whole statement is cooky regardless what side of the conspiricy fence you sit on.

[FalcoColumbarius]

I find it very disturbing that the general populace can consider, even for a moment, that a 100,000 tonne 757, standing at 44'; 155' long and 124' wingspan with two huge 37,400 lb Rolls Royce engines can fly through a forest of lamp standards without touching one and then fit into a 16' hole.

Lol @ 100,000 tonne 757. Fail.

Boeing 757 Maximum Take Off Weight (MTOW) is 255,000 lb (115,680 kg). Flight 77 was allegedly fully laden (fuel, cargo & passenger manifesto) when she took off. I rounded down to 100* tonnes as a mean calculation, but the information comes from Boeing. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757

(*I originally wrote 100,000 tonnes but have now corrected my blunder.)

Lol @ Lamp Standards (street lights) the height of the twin towers. The jets were not 20 feet off the ground, there was no weaving through street lamps on the way to their target.

This statement was in reference to the Pentagon, perhaps I should have made that more clear. In New York the lamp standards are not as big an issue as all the buildings. The Pentagon is only four floors high, which means the aeroplane has to get in real low:


(Courtesy of: http://physics911.net/missingwings )

Right outside the wall that was hit is a major highway cloverleaf interchange that has a great deal of lamp standards:



This whole statement is cooky regardless what side of the conspiricy fence you sit on.

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm not an idiot, either ~ I check these things out. In all honesty Psilosin, I would rather not have this view, I would rather this whole thing didn't happen to be quite frank.

Falco.

[psilosin]

Boeing 757 Maximum Take Off Weight (MTOW) is 255,000 lb (115,680 kg). Flight 77 was allegedly fully laden (fuel, cargo & passenger manifesto) when she took off. I rounded down to 100,000 tonnes as a mean calculation, but the information comes from Boeing. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757.

The Fail remains.

When you figure it out you will go...doh!

[nxski]

I work as a construction supervisor and have been a carpenter for 25 yrs. When I use structural steel in a building I have to go to far greater lengths to protect it from fire than I do with structural wood because steel under load simply fails faster than wood in a fire.
Check any building code book.

Agreed,

The impact from something such as a plane is able to dislodge the 'protection' placed around the steel therefor making it much more susceptible to heat than a regular fire in a steel building. It also does not necessarily have to reach melting point for failure to occur, the metal only has to lose about 1/3 of it's strength (the general safety factor placed on most beams and columns).

Wood framing in general will burn very easily, it's the drywall / fire separations that cause the building to take more time to fail under fire. Heavy timber on the other hand can be left unprotected and will take longer than steel to fail.

Concrete is the most dangerous when failing because there is no warning. Steel will buckle and wood will crack but concrete is just there one moment and on your head the next. (slightly unrelated but if you want a 'fireproof' building concrete is the way to go)

[FalcoColumbarius]

Boeing 757 Maximum Take Off Weight (MTOW) is 255,000 lb (115,680 kg). Flight 77 was allegedly fully laden (fuel, cargo & passenger manifesto) when she took off. I rounded down to 100,000 tonnes as a mean calculation, but the information comes from Boeing. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757.

The Fail remains.

When you figure it out you will go...doh!

Doh! evidently I haven't checked it all out! 100 tonnes. The other three zeros were for the vacuum created above the wings I'll correct my posts.

Falco.

[solanoid]

Good post falco, regardless.

We need to open peoples eyes

[BCDelica]

Watched Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth film again, and only asked myself; how will this change the way we act, vote, shop, and live currently?

(http://ae911truth.org/, http://911expertsspeakout.org/)

Personally the thing that stands out with me, is that the majority of people watching events unfold - worldwide - felt that what occurred was not real. Which is strange, as our eyes regularly see so many unbelievable things on TV. You still hear that comment today. What does that say with regards to human perception, we can often spot an illusion even if we can't discern the how.

Which side of the fence chosen for 911 theories certainly varies from north america to the rest of the world.

[glenn]

Falco, unfortunately you are wrong about the way steel reacts to heat. Psilosin has it right. There is a good reason why you never see unprotected steel in a structure - except when it's coated in intumescent paint (paint which foams up and provides insulation when exposed to heat).
There is no mystery about why the buildings collapsed in the end. I have a master's degree in architecture, and the weakness of steel under relatively low levels of heat is well know as one of steel's major limitations for use as structural elements in buildings. And there was a lot of "modified diesel fuel" to help it along . . . unless I'm part of the conspiracy too.

Excuse my ignorance - but could you guys (Falco and solanoid) state in simple language, what exactly you are suggesting happened. And don't point me to some kooky website - just tell me what you think happened.

[Jordan]

Opinions?

[Artacoma]

Here is a good example of seeing and believing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -lN8vWm3m0