Big ol' post on keeping your diesel running cleanly...

[nxski]

What times of the year to they start and stop using winterized diesel?

[FalcoColumbarius]

Outside the Lower Mainland it's the first refuelling of the station after the beginning of November that the Winter diesel begins and I think it's the first refuelling of the station after February? Depending where in BC ~ that the regular fuel comes back. I don't believe the Lower Mainland gets the Winter fuel.

Falco.

[nvanadm]

Maybe I missed it somewhere in this post, but what type of "Howes" are you using. I see that there are 5 different options to choose from where I buy.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/searc ... e+Products

Thanks!

[CREGAN]

I have been using Howes Deisel Treat. Bought a big jug and just re-use one of the other measuring bottles.

Craig

[psilosin]

kind of a tangent...but have you guys found any additive brand whos container does not constantly leak out the cap once opened. Every brand I have tried leaks unless stored perfectly up and down. Annoying when these containers last for many fillups. I keep mine in a lock&lock tupperware filled with paper towel to mop up the spillage. I have been thinking about scoring a tray of used screwtop centerfuge tubes and just pre-dosing 50-75ml into each tube and keep a handful on board...but that might look weird to the cops if i ever get pulled over lol.

[CREGAN]

kind of a tangent...but have you guys found any additive brand whos container does not constantly leak out the cap once opened. Every brand I have tried leaks unless stored perfectly up and down. Annoying when these containers last for many fillups. I keep mine in a lock&lock tupperware filled with paper towel to mop up the spillage. I have been thinking about scoring a tray of used screwtop centerfuge tubes and just pre-dosing 50-75ml into each tube and keep a handful on board...but that might look weird to the cops if i ever get pulled over lol.

That reminds me of Dumb and Dumber with the beer bottles full of pee. I just cleaned out the PetroLabs bottle I had and fill it with Howes. It is easy to measure your dosage then. My biggest mess is when you pour it in the bottle gets the spilage down the side and then you have to find paper towel in the service station dispenser. It is like prying open a treasure chest to find it has nothing in it. Always chaps me a little.

[tonydca]

I just cleaned out the PetroLabs bottle I had and fill it with Howes. It is easy to measure your dosage then.

X2.

[FalcoColumbarius]

kind of a tangent...but have you guys found any additive brand whos container does not constantly leak out the cap once opened. Every brand I have tried leaks unless stored perfectly up and down. Annoying when these containers last for many fillups. I keep mine in a lock&lock tupperware filled with paper towel to mop up the spillage. I have been thinking about scoring a tray of used screwtop centerfuge tubes and just pre-dosing 50-75ml into each tube and keep a handful on board...but that might look weird to the cops if i ever get pulled over lol.

Milk crate to stash stuff... Mine 's orange ~ compliments the green pearl and goes with my gopher grille, callipers and drums.
Choice ~ and my Diesel Treat remains upright & not uptight! TM

[shealy]

Two questions:

1) is it sill worth adding the 2-stroke anymore or are we off the "winter blend" of diesel?

2) what's the verdict on how much seafoam to add to an L300 crankcase before doing an oil change? A full bottle (half bottle?), drive it around for ~30km, then change?

[FalcoColumbarius]

I don't know what to tell you regarding the two stroke oil but I'm pretty sure that you won't find winter grade diesel in the GVRD ~ it's not cold enough. For oil I use Liqui-Moly, with molybdenum disulfide ~ which is a robust chemical formula that has properties similar to graphite. Keeps my rockers clean and lubricated, even when the engine is off as it sticks to the surface for when you start up in the morning instead of dripping back down into the pan.

Looking at the Seafoam MSDS sheet I see that the ingredients include isopropyl alcohol and naphtha. One is an alcohol and the other is a solvent. Not sure I would want to put those into the lubrication system as not only are they going to contribute to the drying out of your seals but they will remove any oil residue that is currently in the existing cracks working with your seals and could consequently cause oil leaks. Just a thought.

Falco.

[legionnair]

One of the best and cheapest engine cleaners is atf add one litre drive around for ten min bring up to temp and drain. Just buy the cheapest atf available should be about $2.50 instead of 10 and wont harm seals or engine.

The seafoam is very much like fuel dilution and that is very hard on main/rod bearings.

Just a thought

Dustin

[shealy]

Oh. So how come it seems so many members here are throwing seafoam into their oil/crankcase before an oil change? Or have I totally missed or misunderstood something?

Do people keep running oil year round in their fuel then?? I thought that was just for winter and most used howes diesel treat or something similar year round.

[CREGAN]

Not to turn this into the Seafoam Thread part two, but put a can in the tank with the e light on burned that off pretty hard. Then I dumped one can into the crank case and drove it for about 60 clicks and then drained the oil immediately. I let it drain over night and used a little bit of old dino oil I had laying around to flush it a little. Refilled it with nice new oil and then drove it to the gas station and put some new fuel in with double the dose of Howes and have been running it on that for a couple weeks now. Best $20 I have spent yet on my beast as it runs better than it ever has. I think if you did the seafoam treatment evry fill up it would be hard on the seals but evry once in a while will work fine. I am going to do it every oil change in the crank case because it sure sounds alot better and runs very nice and smooth. My risk that I am taking, but the reward is pretty nice....right now.

I only used the 2 stroke when it was very cold in the middle of winter. I am using Howes now, but when it warms up a little more I am going to go back to Petro Labs. Just my 5 cents (since there are no pennies anymore )

Craig

[FalcoColumbarius]

...... Just my 5 cents (since there are no pennies anymore )

Craig

What's with that, anyhow? No more Pennies?? Perhaps it's because too many people were thinking and by abolishing the penny then people would stop asking "penny for your thoughts?". That or the cost of thinking has gone up ~ inflation for you, eh?

I don't get paid by Liqui Moly. I discovered it pretty much when I purchased the Miss Lil' Bitchi and have used it exclusively, save for two oil changes when it wasn't available and used Castrol. The difference is highly noticeable in everyday performance, such as my fuel economy is better; engine runs smoother and reacts faster ~ and ~ it doesn't dry out my seals nor does it take a whole lot of effort when I do the oil change.

I've never tried putting ATF into the crank case so I can't really comment on this but I would think it would be better than solvents or alcohols.

Oh. So how come it seems so many members here are throwing seafoam into their oil/crankcase before an oil change? Or have I totally missed or misunderstood something? .....

I don't know why people do this, I don't think it's a good idea, myself. Having said that ~ people experiment ~ that can create good business, either for the experimenter or their mechanic.

Falco.

P.S.: This is what my rockers look like with the Liqui Moly:

[jessef]

Looking at the Seafoam MSDS sheet I see that the ingredients include isopropyl alcohol and naphtha. One is an alcohol and the other is a solvent. Not sure I would want to put those into the lubrication system as not only are they going to contribute to the drying out of your seals but they will remove any oil residue that is currently in the existing cracks working with your seals and could consequently cause oil leaks. Just a thought.

Falco.

Liqui Moly Engine pro flush MSDS sheet:

http://www.chemical-check.de/clientvers ... 009_US.pdf

I don't know why people do this, I don't think it's a good idea, myself.

Why is it a bad idea when multiple companies including the Liqui Moly you like so much offers the same product?

Both products off the same thing. Cleanse the crankcase and valve train of carbon buildup/residue.

I've used both on different vehicles. I just buy which ever one is available locally.

Seafoam:

Seafoam use as engine flush

One pint Sea Foam Motor Treatment will treat 2.5 gallons of oil (NOTE: this is different for gasoline engines – see separate tech bulletin.) Drive a MINIMUM of 30 minutes/miles, MAXIMUM 60 minutes/ miles, and then do your oil change service.

http://www.seafoamsales.com/tech-info-diesel-engines/

Liqui Moly:

Pro-line use as engine flush

Add to engine oil before engine oil change. Let engine run on
idle speed for 10 minutes. Drain oil, change oil filter and refill with fresh oil of high quality. Contents sufficient for1.3 gal
(5liters) sump capacity. Fully compatible with all
commercially available engine oils

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/medi ... 0Flush.pdf