Disappointed with Delica Trader

[lopar]

What was the original purpose of Delica Trader again? Forum flooding? I can not remember, never really bothered me, I just do not open posts that do not interest me, like the other 90%.

If it was for flooding (obviously by dealers), why not simply add a couple rules/guidelines; such as limit of 2-3 vehicle sales/month from dealers (reduces the flooding), just an example.



Remember, just because we stood up Delica Trader and stopped posting sales, does not mean we can not change our minds and revert to the old way, maybe with some tweaks. Mistakes do happen, adjust and move on.

[jessef]

why not simply add a couple rules/guidelines; such as limit of 2-3 vehicle sales/month from dealers (reduces the flooding), just an example.

This was suggested last year and this year multiple times.

http://www.delica.ca/forum/vendor-section-11634.html

The vendor section is divided by each vendor (vendor applies for a space)

Inside each vendor section, the only allowed poster is that specific vendor.

The vendor section does not show up on active list, nor does it affect any other section of the forum.

Vendors are not allowed to post in the main forum under their business profile.

Individuals employed by vendors are allowed to post in the main forum under their personal profile.

This platform is widely used and works very well as it requires no moderation and a one time setup/registration.

[FalcoColumbarius]

Hi angry mob of delioids . Delica Trader is the result of a major protest led by Jfarsang.

It was requested that sales be removed from the club website so we built a new site for this purpose. One major complaint was regarding the discussion that ensued from a posted sale that "Detracted" from the sale, another was the constant bumping that littered VAT ~ which is why we used the format in Delica Trader. I'm surprised you don't remember all the ado that occurred all of four months ago. I just looked at vehicle sales in Delica Trader and I see there are three pages of sales. Sometimes when I come on line there are two or three pages of new posts in VAT after twelve hours ~ do you really feel that three pages is truly buried? Ari, your post is on page two.

What is this Delica Trader . Ca??? The only site I have visited was DEALERTRADER.CA

I stopped visiting it about the week it started up....

There are currently a total of 57 entries and 33 of them are non-commercial, that is private sales. 24 Are commercial dealerships. Strikes me as the private vendors are beating the tar out of the dealers with a pretty decisive victory.

You can bet this entire site that if Falco's L300 were to come up on the market, that it would not be constrained to the delicatrader. People would talk and a discussion would come about it's sale on delica.ca .

Objection your honour, the witness is making a comment based purely on speculative conjecture. Regarding the Miss Lil' Bitchi..... People are talking about her all the time!

So what is the consensus? Another forum on DC to gossip about whose selling their ride? I would think that General Discussion would handle that. How about separate forums in Delica Trader between private sales vs. dealer sales? Is that really necessary?

Falco.

P.S.:

This was suggested last year and this year multiple times.
vendor-section-11634.html
The vendor section is divided by each vendor (vendor applies for a space)
Inside each vendor section, the only allowed poster is that specific vendor.

Jesse, the thread you are citing was posted (by you) in September of this year ~ long after the dust had cleared. Let's put things in perspective: The picture you are drawing up is the layout of vehicle sales prior to your campaign to get rid of it... Why would you want to revert back to the old format that you fought so adamantly against, successfully I might add?

FC.

[nxski]

If any changes do need to be made I don't think they would need to be drastic. Perhaps separate sections for private and dealer postings or a "search private sales only" filter. If someone is wondering why they're van isn't selling why not post the ad in general discussion and then have a discussion about it? (much like we're doing here). I think there are many reasons why a van doesn't sell.
1. Price tag
2. Wording of the ad
3. Lack of specific details
4. Unfriendly seller
5. Sellers location
6. Ad locations online (where it's been posted). I find craigslist is the easiest way to sell anything.
7. Pictures
8. Patience (when I was searching for my van I noticed that many $8000-9000 vans were taking close to a year to sell whereas $6000-7000 ones were being snapped up very quickly, regardless of condition.

[thedjjack]

What is this Delica Trader . Ca??? The only site I have visited was DEALERTRADER.CA

I stopped visiting it about the week it started up....

There are currently a total of 57 entries and 33 of them are non-commercial, that is private sales. 24 Are commercial dealerships. Strikes me as the private vendors are beating the tar out of the dealers with a pretty decisive victory.

Falco.

Sorry, I should have mentioned I own a Delica and therefore only tried to use the trader for parts.

281 Listings = 15 pages of unsorted, half not priced, no description, generic pasting...

Also again page numbers at the bottom would be helpful so when you scroll to the bottom you do not have to go to the top to get the next page.

[FalcoColumbarius]

Sorry, I should have mentioned I own a Delica and therefore only tried to use the trader for parts.

281 Listings = 15 pages of unsorted, half not priced, no description, generic pasting...

Also again page numbers at the bottom would be helpful so when you scroll to the bottom you do not have to go to the top to get the next page.

Ah, yes, good point and one that needs addressing. This being a thread on vehicle sales in DT~ perhaps we should start another thread in "Site Suggestions" regarding the better organising of parts in Delica Trader. Mark and I have been discussing this issue, adding parts to DT was an after-thought inspired by the latter collective desire to remove vehicle parts from DC. I'll send a memo to remind Mark.

Falco.

[psilosin]

If any changes do need to be made I don't think they would need to be drastic. Perhaps separate sections for private and dealer postings or a "search private sales only" filter. If someone is wondering why they're van isn't selling why not post the ad in general discussion and then have a discussion about it? (much like we're doing here). I think there are many reasons why a van doesn't sell.
1. Price tag
2. Wording of the ad
3. Lack of specific details
4. Unfriendly seller
5. Sellers location
6. Ad locations online (where it's been posted). I find craigslist is the easiest way to sell anything.
7. Pictures
8. Patience (when I was searching for my van I noticed that many $8000-9000 vans were taking close to a year to sell whereas $6000-7000 ones were being snapped up very quickly, regardless of condition.

NO!! Absolutely do not make it ok to post for sale ads in General.

I like DT for dealer ads, thats where they belong and other than page numbers at the bottom it does the job just fine. If making any changes just bring back private member vehicles sales to delica.ca with zero tolerance to dealers even commenting.

[Rising Sun Auto Import]

Ive been feeling this frustration for a while, and now im ready to get it off my chest. To be honest i prefer to old way, with vehicles for sale right here on the forum. almost 250 views of the vehicle i have for sale with zero responses. now its buried. its the nicest one ive ever had for sale, and in 2 months ive had one phone call and zero people have come around to see it.
Dislike dealer and non dealer vehicles mixed in together. (i believe dealers have the unfair advantage of volume)
Is anybody selling Delicas these days? Is anybody buying them? Have we reached saturation?

If you sell your delica at non profit basis, I am sure you may sell it very quickly.
I understand you are not in car sales business anyway.
Car sales is very slow at the end of year, and look at all posting prices in L300 section as they explain everything.

Current Delica Trader has been well settled down, and we don’t need to read all unnecessary bumping threads by himself or other fellows that will mislead potential buyers frequently.
Car buying is the second largest investment in one’s life, so seeing is believing.

But It needs some search engine instruction as DT seems to be not organized professionally.
Why don’t you, moderators post “ search instruction for Delica Trader “ in VAT?

Steven

[nxski]

If any changes do need to be made I don't think they would need to be drastic. Perhaps separate sections for private and dealer postings or a "search private sales only" filter. If someone is wondering why they're van isn't selling why not post the ad in general discussion and then have a discussion about it? (much like we're doing here). I think there are many reasons why a van doesn't sell.
1. Price tag
2. Wording of the ad
3. Lack of specific details
4. Unfriendly seller
5. Sellers location
6. Ad locations online (where it's been posted). I find craigslist is the easiest way to sell anything.
7. Pictures
8. Patience (when I was searching for my van I noticed that many $8000-9000 vans were taking close to a year to sell whereas $6000-7000 ones were being snapped up very quickly, regardless of condition.

NO!! Absolutely do not make it ok to post for sale ads in General.

I like DT for dealer ads, thats where they belong and other than page numbers at the bottom it does the job just fine. If making any changes just bring back private member vehicles sales to delica.ca with zero tolerance to dealers even commenting.

NO, not what I meant! What I meant was that if anyone is having trouble selling they're vehicle they may be able to post in general discussion with a link to their ad asking the general public what the reason for lack of sale might be. Of course I must tread lightly here as there would have to be strict regulations on who could post and under what circumstances. That being said, I see no need for any ads to be brought back to Delica.ca so it's probably going to cause less headaches if we just leave things as they are. With Delicatrader being so new there are bound to be a few kinks to workout so I'm sure suggestions will all be taken gratefully.

[jessef]

Hi angry mob of delioids . Delica Trader is the result of a major protest led by Jfarsang.

Putting the blame on me is stupid. PMS much ? (sarcasm comment)

Leave delicatrader the way it is. Even with Delicatader, this forum can benefit from a vendor ONLY section as was suggested many times by OTHERS, myself included. I just created a poll.

There is nothing in the forum site rules that says you can't talk about certain cool Delica/vehicles for sale. Dealers still get away with putting their stuff on this site so I don't see why it would be a problem for one person to showcase their own stuff.

[konadog]

I never had any issue with the way it was, even with dealers "flooding" - I never noticed myself. I'd like to see at least a section where people can sell their buses here.

[FalcoColumbarius]

Hi angry mob of delioids . Delica Trader is the result of a major protest led by Jfarsang.

*Putting the blame on me is stupid. PMS much ? (sarcasm comment)

Leave delicatrader the way it is. Even with Delicatader, this forum can benefit from a vendor ONLY section as was suggested many times by OTHERS, myself included. I just created a poll.

#There is nothing in the forum site rules that says you can't talk about certain cool Delica/vehicles for sale. Dealers still get away with putting their stuff on this site so I don't see why it would be a problem for one person to showcase their own stuff.

* Merely stating a fact. Not PMSing, thank you for your concern ~ although I think I might be experiencing a bout of andropause. I used to be hot, now I get hot flashes.

# Actually, there is a clause in Rule 1.1.1 that stipulates:

"For Sale" posting (for vehicles and parts) should not be posted in forum threads, but should be posted in Delica Trader instead. Please note that general business advertising messages in forum threads (e.g., "No-HST Blowout Event This Weekend", "Come To Us For the Best Service In Town", etc) do not meet the "positive contribution" test, and will be removed.

This was recently introduced specifically because of the recent re-ordering of Vehicle Sales and the advent of Delica Trader.

Falco.

[jessef]

wash & repeat

There is nothing in the forum site rules that says you can't talk about certain cool Delica/vehicles for sale.

This community it still small enough that if a really cool Delica is seen on delicatrader or someone's friend is selling a kickass one, there is no reason or rule that says they can't open a thread and drool/talk over the rig.

Example with Ari's. If you tossed a camping/kitchen setup in there like what was in Turtle, you can bet someone would have created a thread pointing the coolness factor out.

It's all good.

If the administrators do not want to consider an area that is exclusive to vendors where each can promote their sales, promotions, changes, etc... then that's their loss. It would generate more traffic on this site and you can bet your Delica's that the vendors would be in for it as well. That would keep the vendors in their own area of the forum and if they wanted to join in on the general/tech discussions, then they could sign up as Mardy or Steven or Glen or Butch and contribute as individuals with little to no bias to their businesses.

That is a proven forum/vendor model that works. delica.ca is one of the 1% that do not have a vendor only section and that allow vendors to roam the forum as regular members which is what began this whole snowball effect.

[thedjjack]

Also again page numbers at the bottom would be helpful so when you scroll to the bottom you do not have to go to the top to get the next page.

Anyone out there????

[Super Exceeded]

I tried to list my engine and drivetrain on the site and it wouldn't even let me log in..