CREGAN wrote:OK- no pissing matches please. Thank you Steven for showing us what you have. No more back and forthing please as I can already see where this is headed, and I don't want to go there.
Input = YES
Arguing over who is right or better = NO
Lets work together here to show what we can use for an oil filter on an L400.
Craig
Hi Cregan,
We are talking about L400 oil filter, aren't we?
Why did someone talk about 4D56 Hyundai oil filter here?
I edited my post.
Steven
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the factors that should also be looked at should be the micron rating and filter construction and if it has a solid cage inside to prevent the filter element from deforming. the micron rating can be different from brand to brand even if they are the same size canister.
also filter micron ratings can change depending on the filter size. so the bigger size filter may have a smaller micron rating and will start to plug up at possibly the same rate as a smaller filter with a higher micron rating.
rezdiver wrote:not sure why everyone is stuck on filter size.
the factors that should also be looked at should be the micron rating and filter construction and if it has a solid cage inside to prevent the filter element from deforming. the micron rating can be different from brand to brand even if they are the same size canister.
also filter micron ratings can change depending on the filter size. so the bigger size filter may have a smaller micron rating and will start to plug up at possibly the same rate as a smaller filter with a higher micron rating.
X2.
We have seen very tiny oil filters ( 5cm length ? ) that are used in Skyline GTR.
Steven
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rezdiver wrote:not sure why everyone is stuck on filter size.
Perhaps one reason would be the bigger the filter the more appropriate cooling space for the oil. Isn't this why there's the talk about the secondary oil filter ~ the cleaner the oil the better/longer it performs, the further the oil travels the cooler it runs. I got a mate (retired CF) who worked on vehicles in the forces then went onto race cars after that, he would argue the bigger solution.
Falco.
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rezdiver wrote:not sure why everyone is stuck on filter size.
Perhaps one reason would be the bigger the filter the more appropriate cooling space for the oil. Isn't this why there's the talk about the secondary oil filter ~ the cleaner the oil the better/longer it performs, the further the oil travels the cooler it runs. I got a mate (retired CF) who worked on vehicles in the forces then went onto race cars after that, he would argue the bigger solution.
Falco.
I was wondering when the expert was going to chime in. Is this the same mate that told you to use pepper in your cooling system or the one that said you can only import one vehicle into Canada? funny 'expert' mates you have there
Reza nailed it and the 3 pages could be condensed into his one post. Contrary to some of the guys in here that have issues with their 'size', like the majority of the female population says:
Size does NOT matter.
What matters is the quality (paper/retaining element + micron size) and this holds true for oil filters in these small 4cyl engines.
funny thread though
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jfarsang wrote:I was wondering when the expert was going to chime in. Is this the same mate that told you to use pepper in your cooling system or the one that said you can only import one vehicle into Canada? funny 'expert' mates you have there
Are you an expert? I have never claimed to be an expert myself ~ I was adding to the discussion based on another discussion I had with someone who has worked on military and racing vehicles. I don't take his word as the gospel but he does bring up good points.
As far as the pepper in the cooling system goes: This is not something new, Jesse, I didn't dream this one up. Nor is it meant to be something you keep in the cooling system all the time. This is an old school method that has been tried and tested in many emergencies to help one's vehicle get out of the bush so it can be repaired properly.
You can import only one vehicle into Canada? I have no clue what you are talking about. Has there not been enough drama in Delica Canada for you? Is this why you're back? Let's keep it on topic. Or of course we could take it to the Last Word Cafe. Your choice.
Oil filters: The way I understand this is it's about balance, to keep the engine at the optimum operating temperature and performance level. I would think that the temperature of the oil would have a bearing on the engine. As well as cleaning properties, could the size of the oil filter also be considered as fine tuning of the temperature?
Falco.
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Falco,
oil filters have little to no effect on oil cooling. they are basically another sump that holds oil. the oil travels through there so fast that it will never cool with oil to air exchange thorough the filter body.
the engine block is a big heat sink on its own, there is no way a tiny thin wall oil cylinder the size of a soda can will make any difference. now if you had another sump that could retain a couple of liters of oil or more then that could make a difference in temperatures. but a filter that can hold 1/2 liter comared to 1/4 liter is not a consideration.
unless you added a water to oil cooler/warmer heat exchanger like on Volkswagens then you may get some effect and even then, the Volkswagen design is not to cool but to bring up the oil to operating temperature faster from initial start as the coolant heats up much faster than the oil and through the exchanger can heat the oil up at a faster rate.
another thing to note since we are talking about size is that not only can you get different length filters but also different girth. it all comes down to micron rating and the oil change interval length when determining what oil filter to use in conjuction to filter design as i mentioned above..
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size does not matter but you want to hear from someone else so there you go. no need to get your panties in a bunch Falco & company's.
for the 4D56T on our Pajero, my oil temp did not change when I went from the stock filter to a secondary amsoil dual bypass filter system.
that goes to show along with Reza's heatsink analogy is that the theory of 'cooling' properties of the oil filter cylinder relevant to the size of your oil filter has no merit.
jfarsang wrote:What matters is the quality (paper/retaining element + micron size) and this holds true for oil filters in these small 4cyl engines.
rezdiver wrote:it all comes down to micron rating and the oil change interval length when determining what oil filter to use in conjuction to filter design as i mentioned above..
On page1 I mentioned that the fear over size of oil filter for L400 was an unfounded wives tale and that that wives tale was based on early posts by Mardy who insisted that a smaller filter would lead to engine failure due to reduced oil cooling. I mentioned that didn't make logical sence based on the small volume difference of any of the various L400 filters compared to the overall vehicle oil volume. The only responses I get are Mardy pulling out his ruler and making goofy posts...a week later other people say the same thing and they get a pat on the back.
psilosin wrote:I feel like Rodney Dangerfield in this thread.
On page1 I mentioned that the fear over size of oil filter for L400 was an unfounded wives tale and that that wives tale was based on early posts by Mardy who insisted that a smaller filter would lead to engine failure due to reduced oil cooling. I mentioned that didn't make logical sence based on the small volume difference of any of the various L400 filters compared to the overall vehicle oil volume. The only responses I get are Mardy pulling out his ruler and making goofy posts...a week later other people say the same thing and they get a pat on the back.
your mistake was responding on page 1, no one reads page 1. its all about page 3. Not having an Avatar also gets you ignored :)
Wow. Gone an hour or two and it turns into this. I guess the "no pissing matches" didn't apply? Is it because it is hot everywhere right now and everyone is pissy? Lame. So much for useful information.
Just a little chime of my own with the oil bypass filter.
I think the advantage was as stated, getting to add an extra liter
of oil to the system. The frantz I use gives me that much.
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