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Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:15 pm
by Carp
I bought my van last October. A real nice L400 which I was lucky enough to grab from a fellow in Calgary who relocated tothe states. He said, when I purchased it "She's a great machine but she doesn't like the cold" No kidding! Last winter was a challenge to get my wonderful ghostmobile on the road each weekend. (....maybe not so short a story)

So...anyway, this summer I had my alternator fail and had to get a replacement. I opened up the fuse box, looked for a translation sheet and dusted off all the fuses......whats this? A burnt out fuse? Hmmm, fuel heater.... wonder what that does.........sigh.

She starts a whole lot better these days.

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:13 pm
by jessef
:-D

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:39 pm
by jcolvin
Carp wrote:I bought my van last October. A real nice L400 which I was lucky enough to grab from a fellow in Calgary who relocated tothe states. He said, when I purchased it "She's a great machine but she doesn't like the cold" No kidding! Last winter was a challenge to get my wonderful ghostmobile on the road each weekend. (....maybe not so short a story)

So...anyway, this summer I had my alternator fail and had to get a replacement. I opened up the fuse box, looked for a translation sheet and dusted off all the fuses......whats this? A burnt out fuse? Hmmm, fuel heater.... wonder what that does.........sigh.

She starts a whole lot better these days.
wellll.....what *does* the fuel heater do????????? I've never heard of a stock fuel heater on an L400, and I've never seen a "fuel heater" fuse on any fusebox translation. Are you running veggie or something?

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:17 pm
by madmazda
x 2 next time we get together for an ice climb you'll have to show me where this elusive fuse is hiding...

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:43 pm
by Carp
Hi Madmazda, check out the fuse box diagram regarding the fuel heater. (the 15 amp in the bottom corner)
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I know I replaced the alternator and that may be why she starts easier but I think that fuel heater fuse is there for something. Can anyone enlighten me as to what this does exactly?

Great pictures of our ice climb by the way, thank you, I will post a few in a day or two.

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:56 pm
by jcolvin
Interesting! Perhaps the "winter package" delica comes with some sort of fuel pre-heater? What exactly does it heat? Anyone???? Checking this fuse should be probably be part of any cold-weather-start-problem-degremlinifaction program.

Jonathan Colvin

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:57 pm
by vixentd
BMW diesels the fuel heater is above the diesel filter. Its purpose is to heat the fuel up to prevent jelling. Jelling is formed when the wax in diesel solidifies and plugs up the filter. Many years ago at 45 degrees below zero power blend was one of the better additives to prevent Jelling to keep my diesel rabbit running. It had no fuel heater.

All of the semis also run fuel heaters.

A fuel heater though will not help the starting as it works off of 12 volts and only when the vehicle is running, to prevent jelling.

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:22 pm
by CREGAN
Carp wrote:Hi Madmazda, check out the fuse box diagram regarding the fuel heater. (the 15 amp in the bottom corner)
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There sem to be a lot of differences between the two. Anyone know why? Is it different years, translations, etc?

Craig

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:59 am
by jessef
The 15A fuse is for the front windshield wiper defroster (defrost strips) on the Super Exceed/Royal Exceed's.

I have never seen, nor heard of a factory installed fuel filter heater on the L400's. I've searched high and low and cannot find a single reference point.

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:52 am
by Carp
Its stuff like this that makes me glad I'm a carpenter. I will attribute the easier starts to the new alternator and new battery. As for the "fuel heater" well it needed a new fuse and it got one. Jesse, thanks for the info.

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:23 am
by jessef
Filter heaters come in two main flavors

Coolant heating where the coolant hoses go into the fuel filter housing block

Electric heating where there is a bowl underneath the main filter and has an electric coil inside similar to a stove top element

I haven't heard of Mitsu installing either on L400's

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:33 am
by tonydca
Interesting that the legend on the cover is in english and french. I wonder where that unit was originally sold?

Be interesting to cross-reference the Mitsu part number conveniently stamped on the cover and see what exact model/spec. it comes from.

Anyone installed that aftermarket part support software mentioned here earlier?

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:59 am
by Manitoba deli
My shop manual for the l400 shows an electric element in the fuel filter housing (same as vixentd described) as an option on the l400 for fuel heater. Since it was an option, there are probably some out there. If you have one, there should be 4 wires going to your fuel filter. 2 for water sensor and 2 for element. I also don't think it would affect your cold start, but it may also power something else. I have seen one l400 with an extra element in the intake manifold, and it seemed to work with the glowplug circuit. I couldn't find any reference to this in the shop manual, so I'm thinking it may have been an aftermarket add on, but the install was extremely clean. Looked factory, but no fuel heater on it. Do you have any extra wires going to your fuel filter? Or maybe some wires going to an element threaded into your intake manifold? The intake heater would definitely help cold starts.

Jason

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:19 am
by jessef
jfarsang wrote:The 15A fuse is for the front windshield wiper defroster (defrost strips) on the Super Exceed/Royal Exceed's.
And Chamonix's Mr.P pointed out. 8-)

Re: Starting problems in the cold.....a short story.

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:25 pm
by jcolvin
jfarsang wrote:The 15A fuse is for the front windshield wiper defroster (defrost strips) on the Super Exceed/Royal Exceed's.

I have never seen, nor heard of a factory installed fuel filter heater on the L400's. I've searched high and low and cannot find a single reference point.
Wait....I have a front windshield wiper defroster?? How does it turn on?