
Welded gears!?
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Welded gears!?
I found this link on the UK forum today. Here's the pictures and link to the origional 4x4 forum. I thought joke straight off, naturally, but reading on through the fourm...
wtf?? Anyone get this? http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=763645


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Re: Welded gears!?
Its usually called a lincon locker after the lincon welder or a fozzy locker if you are from the island 4x4 clan, you just weld up the side gears , the ring and pinion can only rotate a few teeth on the spider gears so you have almost NO turning ability, well you can turn, but your wheels chirp as they push around , so basicly your fully locked 24/7, it works great, but if you dont tottaly fill the valies of the teeth, you will eventually wear out the weld and have broken bits of steel flying around, its not a good thing, your pic is a spoof, thats the pinion welded to the ring, good for a trophy or something, but not usable, for a welded rear end you only weld the spider gears on the side. I did it on my old blazer for a while until I went with the 14blt and the detroit locker.
dont ever think of it for the front axel, you wont be able to drive .
dont ever think of it for the front axel, you wont be able to drive .
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Re: Welded gears!?
Back in my ice racing days we used to routinely "weld" our diffs. Simple and cheap way to make a "locker" diff. Worked great on ice where it was slippery enough to let the car turn. However, driving them on dry pavement was difficult to say the least. About the only way you could turn the car on dry pavement was to apply enough power to spin the tires and thus enable the car to turn.
BTW - the diff in the pics was definitely not welded correctly.
Rod
BTW - the diff in the pics was definitely not welded correctly.
Rod
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Re: Welded gears!?
This is the best way to weld diff's up, you'll want to use a 220 mig machine and .035 or .045 solid wire. Stick and dual sheild mig welding makes too much of a mess and you'll never get all the slag out, and it always seems to go straight into your bearings and launch the diff. Make sure to remove the bearings and ring gear.
First off once you've got it out you need to get it super clean, by using alcohol or brake cleaner and a rag. Any oil left over will cause perocity in your weld and make it weak.
If you have some, spray anti spatter all over the inside and outside of the housing, this will help with cleanup once its welded.
Make two plates using at least 1/4" steel to fit between the side gears.
Make sure your plates sit flat on the bottom shaft and don't wiggle around, then tack them into place. set your temp high enough to burn deep into the gears, the teeth should actually melt into your weld. Make sure to fill the area where the gears mesh together with a good solid weld.
If you feel you need a second pass weld the same way but just above the first weld so that it rolls smooth into the first one and makes the tops of the gears disappear. Now you have to clean up all the little bb's, use a pneumatic scaling hammer and a thin chisel, but you can use just a thin chisel it'll just take longer. make sure to get all the ones you can see, and for the ones close to the weld
that won't chip off you can hit them with a grinder or dremel tool. Then flush the whole part in degreaser and clean it the best you can. Drive the frashly welded gear 5 miles and drain the diff fluid and refill, drain and fill again after 100 miles or a couple wheeling trips. installing a magnetic drain plug would help as well.
I only recommend doing this to a front diff, and using manual hubs with it.
With the front welded with manual hubs, you can go anywhere. just make sure you unlock the hubs when turning/not crawling out of somewhere.
I did my front on our 1st montero and it was unstoppable. You just give up the normal 4x4 driving mode.
This is a Montero/Pajero/Delica open front diff and this is where you would weld:

First off once you've got it out you need to get it super clean, by using alcohol or brake cleaner and a rag. Any oil left over will cause perocity in your weld and make it weak.
If you have some, spray anti spatter all over the inside and outside of the housing, this will help with cleanup once its welded.
Make two plates using at least 1/4" steel to fit between the side gears.
Make sure your plates sit flat on the bottom shaft and don't wiggle around, then tack them into place. set your temp high enough to burn deep into the gears, the teeth should actually melt into your weld. Make sure to fill the area where the gears mesh together with a good solid weld.
If you feel you need a second pass weld the same way but just above the first weld so that it rolls smooth into the first one and makes the tops of the gears disappear. Now you have to clean up all the little bb's, use a pneumatic scaling hammer and a thin chisel, but you can use just a thin chisel it'll just take longer. make sure to get all the ones you can see, and for the ones close to the weld
that won't chip off you can hit them with a grinder or dremel tool. Then flush the whole part in degreaser and clean it the best you can. Drive the frashly welded gear 5 miles and drain the diff fluid and refill, drain and fill again after 100 miles or a couple wheeling trips. installing a magnetic drain plug would help as well.
I only recommend doing this to a front diff, and using manual hubs with it.
With the front welded with manual hubs, you can go anywhere. just make sure you unlock the hubs when turning/not crawling out of somewhere.
I did my front on our 1st montero and it was unstoppable. You just give up the normal 4x4 driving mode.
This is a Montero/Pajero/Delica open front diff and this is where you would weld:
