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High km Delica's

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Hi There,

I am not a Delica owner (yet), but I'm starting to get serious about getting one. I've been doing my research for quite some time now (and I find that this website is a treasure trove of information). I have a general question regarding the longevity of these vehicles, in particular the engine and transmission. My current '97 CR-V has well over 300k on the odometer, and will probably break 400k before it dies. I attribute that to my good maintenance practices as well as a good engine design. I have not however seen any high mileage Delica's out there at all - in fact the highest I have ever seen had only about 200k. I have also run across a few instances of people having to rebuild their engines at the 150k, which is strange to me because I thought diesels lasted forever.

My point is that if I take the plunge and buy a Delica, I really want it to last. It would be comforting to know that if I hold up my end of the bargain (ie, regular maintenance), that the engine and tranny would hold up theirs. Just wondering how much life I can hope to get from them.

Much thanks for anyone's thoughts on this. :-)
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I just bought one in Japan and should be here on the next boat. I was watching the auctions and have seen Delis with over 270k km on them that still look quite nice. Should be no problem. There is a sweet silver SWB with 45k coming up next wednesday again that is a great deal if you are interested.

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I'm by far no expert, but from what I understand Delica's usually have lower mileage (kms) because of regulations in Japan.
People always want to buy "low mileage" delica's but these vehicles are 15-20 years old, so if you do happen to get a low mileage one, chances are it's been sitting for a number of years and that's where you tend to see issues (having to rebuild engine).

You would want to get one with a nice amount of kms on it. That way you know it wasn't sitting around. Also, making sure it was fully serviced once inported is also very important.

I think a good number of kms is around 150K-200k (not really sure though).

I bought mine from Mardy 2 years ago with 158,000kms...I now have around 210,000kms and haven't had any problems whatsoever.
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I think most of the engine rebuilds are from people overheating the engine, just install a pyro and you'll know when your working your deli too hard, it totally changed how i drive. Also a well tuned engine means it doesnt work as hard so that counts too.
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Post by Golf Cart »

Viking,
Ive owned diesel engine vehicles the last 20 years. My first is still running with over 650k (86 F250 6.9) and I sold my 93 7.3 with over 530k (not sure if it is still going) And I bought that one with 260k without batting an eye

I have heard of a guy through Hallmark Ford that has over 900k on his.

Maintenance is key, especially the oil. I was a little nervous when I bought my first diesel. No plugs or plug wires to worry about. I was use to tuning gassers. I've had V8's and VW 4 cylinder diesels. I only wish I had of dieseled up earlier than I did. IF I could have found a diesel motorhome I would have got one. Thats the only gaspot I own. Well that and my motorcycle

Take the plunge....you'll be glad you did. Alot less headache than a Benzene belcher

Good Luck
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Viking7 wrote:Hi There,

I am not a Delica owner (yet), but I'm starting to get serious about getting one. I've been doing my research for quite some time now (and I find that this website is a treasure trove of information). I have a general question regarding the longevity of these vehicles, in particular the engine and transmission. My current '97 CR-V has well over 300k on the odometer, and will probably break 400k before it dies. I attribute that to my good maintenance practices as well as a good engine design. I have not however seen any high mileage Delica's out there at all - in fact the highest I have ever seen had only about 200k. I have also run across a few instances of people having to rebuild their engines at the 150k, which is strange to me because I thought diesels lasted forever.

My point is that if I take the plunge and buy a Delica, I really want it to last. It would be comforting to know that if I hold up my end of the bargain (ie, regular maintenance), that the engine and tranny would hold up theirs. Just wondering how much life I can hope to get from them.

Much thanks for anyone's thoughts on this. :-)
Your fears of no long-distance vehicles coming out of Japan is a bit misplaced if you don't understand some of the factors at play in that country (compared to Canada and/or USA):
  • -Japan is a smaller country and there aren't the distances to be covered like in Canada. We simply live further apart, further from work and we don't think much of driving those distances because we're used to it. As a consequence, our vehicles travel greater distances before the vehicle is replaced.
    -due to the greater numbers of people and the shorter distances, transit is much more an option for most Japanese. Because we have all this space in our country, we have room to put our vehicles when we get to our destination, so we take our own mode of transport instead of using transit.
    -due to government regulations and inspections, it becomes increasingly difficult (both mechanically and financially) for most Japanese to continue owning an older vehicle. It's a form of forced replacement towards purchasing a new vehicle.
    -along with those regulations to ensure the viability of the vehicle, cost of insurance is a factor, and in some cases, insurance is based on availability of parking (i.e. you can't get insurance unless you can demonstrate you have somewhere to park the vehicle, at least this is what I've heard in some of the larger cities).
All of that taken into consideration means that the majority of vehicles we are seeing coming to our shores are going to have less distance on the odometer than similarly-aged NAMPOS.

Finally, after being on this forum for three years, the blown engines you hear about are mostly those that weren't maintained when the vehicle was imported, and/or the driver did not adjust their driving style to suit the vehicle's capability. Most North Americans are used to a vehicle that will accelerate from 0-100km/h in less than 10 seconds (5 would be preferable) and continue at speed up Kootenay Pass with a full load of passengers while pulling a trailer - and our car industry has built us vehicles that will do that! We don't have a lot of diesels, for a variety of reasons (but that's another thread), so we're not used to driving them and when you drive a diesel like a gasoline vehicle, something's going to give (and it's usually the engine).
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Thanks very much for all the responses :-D - I appreciate the experienced opinions and it has served to quell some of my fears (and reassure my understanding of diesel longevity). My current vehicle doesn't allow me to drive aggressive (it's pretty gutless), so I suspect stepping into a Delica wouldn't be much of an adjustment. I think the pyrometer idea is great to - I hadn't heard of these until I started lurking these forums.

I understand that the Japanese don't drive many km's, and that was my concern to begin with, because it doesn't give me an sense of the robustness of the Delica diesel. It seems that the Japanese get rid of the vehicle based on its age/insurance issues/etc, whereas I would get probably draw the line if the engine block was cracked. As mentioned, there are quite a few diesels out there that go on and on and on... just wondering if there are any "weakspots" on the Delica diesel that may ruin my expectations.
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mararmeisto wrote:We don't have a lot of diesels, for a variety of reasons (but that's another thread), so we're not used to driving them and when you drive a diesel like a gasoline vehicle, something's going to give (and it's usually the engine)
This has less to do with Diesel vs. Gasoline. You can drive every modern Diesel car in the same way as a modern gasoline car. The difference is only Delica/old Diesels specific as most of the time the engine seems to be underpowered in our new age expectations. You just can not floor a 20+ year old engineered engine as you would to it with a modern car. Take it easy and get a Pyro.
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My preference for mileage on a new Delica in Canada is between 100-200,000 km's. So at least I know it's been driven over the years. Lots of posts on this topic. :M
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Just got home from New Zealand, where we played on our annual 3 month trip. While there, we blew up a Subaru. So, we bought a Delica L400 there. We now own one here in Red Deer and in NZ. If worried about the mileage, look at NZ or Aus sites! Amazing how many miles the NZ units rack up on such a small island, even more amazing given the terrain they rack the miles up on - their back country 4x4 is like upper reaches of BCFS roads. Don't be afraid of the Delis.
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