Trabold Filter – Oil change every 100.000km

[fexlboi]

Specially on longer road trips it bothers me to do an oil change every 5000km. Also bringing enough spare filters with me takes up way too much valuable room.
Reading a few posts at Landcruiser forums I came across an very interesting product from Germany which might could help me out . The initial cost of the filter is steep ($380) but the savings in the long run are quite significant.
You still need to replace your oil filter every 15.000km and topping up the oil if it's too low, but a full oil change needs to be done just every 100.000km. I guess if you top it up time by time the oil will be renewed earlier anyway.
The reviews from customers are very promising. Many have used it for way over 150.000km and still no complains. Obviously with something too good to be true, there are a lot of sceptic people as well.
Anybody heard about it or even is using it?

http://www.trabold.net/English/default.htm

[tonydca]

Specially on longer road trips it bothers me to do an oil change every 5000km. Also bringing enough spare filters with me takes up way too much valuable room.

Lotsa dough up front.

Perhaps if you're on the road, nearing the magic 5K mark and you know where you might be in a couple of weeks, I'm sure Mardy or someone else who sells the filters can drop ship you one to an AmEx or FedEx depot for a nominal fee.

[fexlboi]

Lotsa dough up front.
Perhaps if you're on the road, nearing the magic 5K mark and you know where you might be in a couple of weeks, I'm sure Mardy or someone else who sells the filters can drop ship you one to an AmEx or FedEx depot for a nominal fee.

Have you actually heard/read about it?
I know Mardy or CVI would do it, but on a 50.000km+ roadtrip it would get quite pricey to ship filters to South America. Lot of filters, lots of oil and a lot of money. Anyway this is not up for dicsussion. I'm interested in how you could extend the oil change intervals. I don't need 100.000km but something from at least 15.000km would be already better.

[jessef]

If you don't want to lug around oil filters, get a redline cleanable stainless filtration system.

That way, it's only the oil that needs to changed which you can buy anywhere.

I've heard about the Trabold. It's a good concept and it's been debated long ago on Mercs and Volvo diesel trailer rigs.

The problem with this are the mileage claims.

Most people don't realize that the oil properties necessary for proper lubrication will break down between 5-9,000 km's.

That is the main reasoning behind frequent 3-5k engine oil changes. It's not the filter. It's the oil properties breaking down.

You can always upgrade the filters from consumer grade paper to mechanical stainless and dual or more in line filters.

It helps, but not to the tune of 10,000 km +

The filter becomes useless once the oil breaks down, hence change your oil every x,xxx km's.

[Green1]

oil also breaks down with time, hence the "5000km or 3 months whichever comes first" that most places recommend.

I suspect this could lengthen your time between changes... but I wouldn't want to see an engine that has the same oil in it for 100,000km...

[norisan]

I think in Europe, oil change intervals are much longer - in fact Jaguar oil change intervals are every 16000 kms. they do hold six liters however. Just throwing this in to stir the pot, I have no knowledge re oil technology.

[Luna-Sea]

Hey,
That Trabold site is a good read,thanks man.
This was a good post too.
http://www.delica.ca/forum/bypass-oil-f ... tml#p39497
I like the Frantz one! It uses toilet paper,that way you not only
have extra cheap filters, but also an emergency response
kit for traveller's diarrhea!

The Trabold seems to be the same kind of thing,
maybe a bit more thorough but it still uses a cellulose
filter media.The toilet paper element from the Frantz
will absorb and remove water too like the Trabold,
but would be much cheaper to change.Heck,you already
have spares in your bathroom!

I have to agree with JF about oil breaking down.
From what I have directly seen and experienced
with the motor oil from my 3 delicas so far,the the turbo
diesels seem to really kick the living crap out of the
motor oil way more so than any gasoline engine
I have ever owned.I should add also I have not yet
run synthetic.

Your rig is lifted a bit right?
You will nice fit under the van and get pretty quick at
changing out the oil and filter anyway!

Some more Frantz-Links
http://www.wefilterit.com/
http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html
http://www.cumminsforum.com/articles/ar ... Page1.html

Right On!

[marsgal42]

I think in Europe, oil change intervals are much longer - in fact Jaguar oil change intervals are every 16000 kms. they do hold six liters however. Just throwing this in to stir the pot, I have no knowledge re oil technology.

The service intervals on all cars are much longer now, but they weren't at the time our Delicas were made.

I have the Haynes Jaguar XJ12/XJS manual in front of me as I type this, and the oil change interval is 10,000 km. This is typical for the era (late 1970s). The oil change interval on my old VW Jetta (gas engine) was similar. I did it each spring and fall, whether it needed it or not.

Our Delicas, being turbo diesels, are very hard on their oil. All turbo diesels are. It's not so much the accumulation of crud (that's what oil filters are for), as the loss of the oil's ability to neutralize nasty stuff and keep the engine's innards clean.

...laura

[fexlboi]

Hmmm. I don't know. This looks like a very contrary subject. Many people and labs (supported by the oil companies) stated the oil quality decreases pretty quick doesn't matter how good you filter it. On the other hand many tests have been done from independent labs about oil quality with proper filters (incl. other companies beside Trabold, like NTZ http://www.ntzfilter.com/) as well as many very happy customers with hundreds of thousand km with unchanged oil. The Trabold filter is mostly used in big Diesel engines, so I don't know if a small turbocharged engine would have any negative effect on the filtering process.
Looks like VW and Mercedes also increased the oil change interval on their modern turbo diesel up to 20.000km with high-quality synthetic oil. The changing interval on a old turbo Diesel Landcruiser is 10.000km with standard filter as well. This makes it hard to believe that oil breaks down at 5000km or 3 months if even big manufactures allowing longer intervals. Of course it's a newer engine, but the use oil and filter is still from the same area as ours.

Thanks Luna-Sea for your recommendation of using toilet paper to filter oil.


By the way does anybody know the size of the oil pressure switch?

[Green1]

There is a difference though in some of the newer engines, when they say "up to _____ km" it's because it actually varies, the engine tests the oil and tells you when it's time for a change, the type of driving, the temperature, the amount of idling, and several other factors will affect how long you go between oil changes. Our vehicles don't have a sensor that can tell you the condition of the oil, and even looking at it doesnt' really help, so we pretty much have to play it safe and go with the lower end of the range and not the higher end because we have no way of knowing when the oil is "done".

[psilosin]

If you install any kind of quality bypass filtration system (ie Frantz) you can greatly extend your oil change intervals. They are excellent on a diesel because they remove the soot very effectively which is the primary contaminant of the engine oil.

And you never have to guess on the condition of your oil if you are running extended intervals...get an oil analysis done...simple and it tells you exactly the condition of your oil and also gives you many clues to what might be happening inside your engine.

[ShaneA]

I think in Europe, oil change intervals are much longer - in fact Jaguar oil change intervals are every 16000 kms. they do hold six liters however. Just throwing this in to stir the pot, I have no knowledge re oil technology.

The service intervals on all cars are much longer now, but they weren't at the time our Delicas were made.

I have the Haynes Jaguar XJ12/XJS manual in front of me as I type this, and the oil change interval is 10,000 km. This is typical for the era (late 1970s). The oil change interval on my old VW Jetta (gas engine) was similar. I did it each spring and fall, whether it needed it or not.

Looks like VW and Mercedes also increased the oil change interval on their modern turbo diesel up to 20.000km with high-quality synthetic oil. The changing interval on a old turbo Diesel Landcruiser is 10.000km with standard filter as well. This makes it hard to believe that oil breaks down at 5000km or 3 months if even big manufactures allowing longer intervals. Of course it's a newer engine, but the use oil and filter is still from the same area as ours.

This is the opposite of what I found. I was surprised when I purchased my brand new Mazda 3 in 2005 and was told the oil change interval was 5 to 8,000km depending on climate (5 in harsh Canadian winters, 8 for West coast and down South). Since I received free oil changes at my dealer I didn't have to worry about the cost, but it seemed strange to me that a 172hp 4-cylinder gas motor needed oil changed that frequently.

Shane

[delicat]

Hey Felix,

Don't confuse your KM with Miles... The need to change the cartridge inside the filter is every 10,000 to 30,000 miles... not km. Even better!
Tempting!

[fexlboi]

Picked up two Trabold filters today.
Will report with an oil lab test once we have over 10000 km with this filter done.

Delicat, a nice after Christmas present is waiting for you :)

[jessef]

The more/better filters diesels run better.

This can only help the longevity of the engine.

Will you guys leave the original oil filter, keep replacing it or pluging the port ?

I guess it will be a long time before you guys hit the 100,000km mark ?

I'm going with a dual amsoil bypass kit. Similar concept to this one